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Started by BojackHorsefella, June 27, 2018, 02:59:34 PM

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TheNorm

Quote from: rollntider on June 28, 2018, 08:41:10 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S88i1eWNhPM

We must secure is now Nazi talk?

After I'm done rolling my eyes, let me refer to you why "We must secure" is an alarm bell.

https://twitter.com/seldo/status/1012434470924718080

...but I'm sure it's just more alarmist rhetoric.
"But it is not enough for me to stand before you tonight and condemn riots. It would be morally irresponsible for me to do that without, at the same time, condemning the contingent, intolerable conditions that exist in our society. These conditions are the things that cause individuals to feel that they have no other alternative than to engage in violent rebellions to get attention. And I must say tonight that a riot is the language of the unheard. And what is it America has failed to hear? It has failed to hear that the plight of the negro poor has worsened over the last twelve or fifteen years. It has failed to hear that the promises of freedom and justice have not been met. And it has failed to hear that large segments of white society are more concerned about tranquility and the status quo than about justice and humanity." - Martin Luther King, Jr

rollntider

Quote from: Bucfever on June 28, 2018, 08:47:46 PM
Quote from: rollntider on June 28, 2018, 08:41:10 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S88i1eWNhPM

We must secure is now Nazi talk?

I enjoy that you ignored the rest of the context provided. Plus, you know, every other Nazi dogwhistle this administration has set off since coming into power.

Ignored what exactly? I left out Build a wall?  Seriously?

I will be happy to discuss in an honest discussion with facts, but I am afraid my discussions with lefty's usually end up with Go fuck yourself  and insults hurled at me. While Righty's usually want to throw scripture or some made up bill of rights.

Being Libertarian I laugh at both of you and am very under represented. Ya'll(Left and right) fight over whose Oligarchy is the better one. 

So this Hyperbole that "Trump is a Nazi" or "Obama was born in Kenya" you guys make chuckle.

I will leave you with a candidate that was against "Gays" and a war monger

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4535177/hillary-clinton-gay-marriage-2004

The democrats had a former KKK leader serving in senate before his death in 2010. But was forgiven because it was something he did when he was young. the man was a member until his 40's or 50's.

Yes and the Repubs had David Duke. That racist POS

The only difference was Democrats got a pass for Byrd even when dropping the N word http://www.cnn.com/2001/ALLPOLITICS/03/04/byrd.slur/

Bill Mahr
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/hbo-says-bill-mahers-use-n-word-completely-inexcusable-1010006

Jimmy Kimmel in Black face
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wse5lgIDxM

But Roseanne (who I hate) loses her show for making a non funny monkey joke.

I leave you with this, the two most recent economic booms we had were under Bill Clinton and Ronald Reagan after they lowered taxes.  Both downfalls were neither could curb spending.
Further proof taxes/government/Socialism kills an economy Venezuela, an oil Rich country taxed themselves to the poor house.




BojackHorsefella

That's a whole lot of scarecrow arguments right after Norm reiterated the issue with the 14 Words. And you say we can't engage honestly?

rollntider

Quote from: TheNorm on June 28, 2018, 09:19:43 PM
Quote from: rollntider on June 28, 2018, 08:41:10 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S88i1eWNhPM

We must secure is now Nazi talk?

After I'm done rolling my eyes, let me refer to you why "We must secure" is an alarm bell.

https://twitter.com/seldo/status/1012434470924718080

...but I'm sure it's just more alarmist rhetoric.

I can show you some stuff the right posted about Obama that was directly out of the nazi play book.  Or the left again with W Bush. etc... Both parties care little for the people until it is time to vote.  So far this is as valid as the farce that was Obama's birth certificate claim, and Russian collusion or the OK symbol.

https://www.adl.org/blog/no-the-ok-gesture-is-not-a-hate-symbol



BojackHorsefella

Russian collusion is a hoax despite multiple indictments and guilty pleas. That's curious.

rollntider

Quote from: Bucfever on June 28, 2018, 09:35:32 PM
That's a whole lot of scarecrow arguments right after Norm reiterated the issue with the 14 Words. And you say we can't engage honestly?

Scarecrow arguments? OK I get it, I do not buy the bullshit and conspiracy theories from one or another side and I make scarecrow arguments. Really i read the tweet, I read the wikipedia page, I get it people hate trump, if you want to talk about how stupid the Tarriffs are, or how stupid and moronic alot of his tweets are I will lead the charge with you or many number of outer countless things. I think you and everyone else are free to believe what you want, but because i refuse to believe in santa clause or the earth is flat, dont expect me to drink the kool aid. I just happen to disagree.  Just like we would with football, baseball etc. I will exit the thread, I think I am not right for this thread. I do enjoy other views on various subjects and I do find this theory interesting.



BojackHorsefella

You didn't even address it in your comment. You said "saying 'we must secure' doesn't mean anything," avoided the contact, and then started on about Roseanne Barr, Jimmy Kimmel and Bill Maher (who most liberals hate, mostly because he's an Islamaphobe, also because he's a pompous ass).

Those things don't equate to the discussion, but it was a nice attempt to divert.

rollntider

Quote from: Bucfever on June 28, 2018, 09:59:20 PM
Russian collusion is a hoax despite multiple indictments and guilty pleas. That's curious.

there were Russian indictments of Russian involvement but how many guilty pleas has the trump admin been guilty of?
https://www.denverpost.com/2018/02/23/rick-gates-donald-trump-pleads-guilty-russia-investigation/

QuoteThe charges against Manafort and Gates do not involve activities inside the Trump campaign, although the conduct in question continued while they worked there. Instead, the special counsel accused the men of lying on their income-tax returns and conspiring to commit bank fraud to get loans as part of an elaborate scheme to use their income from the Ukrainian political party to buy properties, evade taxes and support Manafort's lavish lifestyle.



BojackHorsefella

Perhaps I'd be less inclined to believe if, say Trump didn't say there were bad people "on both sides" when Nazis held a rally in Charlottesville and murdered a woman.

Or if he didn't round up Mexicans and throw their children into concentration camp-lite.

Or didn't institute a travel ban against Muslims (that left off countries where terrorists actually came from).

But if it sounds like a duck and acts like a duck, it's probably a duck.

BojackHorsefella

Manafort was Trump's campaign manager, not only that, when Trump selected him the move came out of left field. Don't play the Trump's innocent card. There's a reason Manafort is his guy. There's a reason Trump met with Russian officials with only Russian press present. There's a reason his phone calls with Australia were so public yet nobody listened to the call with Putin. There's a reason his son met with a Russian lawyer, as opposed to ANYONE ELSE, to "get dirt" on Clinton.

There's a reason Trump continues, including today, to say Russia didn't meddle in the election despite all of our intelligence agencies saying they did.

Dont be willfully obtuse.

rollntider

Quote from: Bucfever on June 28, 2018, 10:04:01 PM
You didn't even address it in your comment. You said "saying 'we must secure' doesn't mean anything," avoided the contact, and then started on about Roseanne Barr, Jimmy Kimmel and Bill Maher (who most liberals hate, mostly because he's an Islamaphobe, also because he's a pompous ass).

Those things don't equate to the discussion, but it was a nice attempt to divert.

Avoided contact ? I engaged in it. Still see no link with the links provided. Divert? You may have that opinion just pointed out what racism looked like, having the numbers 88 and 14 in the 13th point of an article seems like a stretch really. You may disagree, maybe I should have stated my case better? but that was my logic.



BojackHorsefella

You had 8 words that amounted to "I don't see it," again, you're ignoring the actions this admin and Trump have partaken in that further back up the words, and those 8 words that actually addressed the subject were they followed up by a lot of nothing which was a whole scarecrow argument and attempt to divert the convo in some way, considering the greater portion of your post had nothing to do with anything.

So, yes.

rollntider

Quote from: Bucfever on June 28, 2018, 10:09:49 PM
Manafort was Trump's campaign manager, not only that, when Trump selected him the move came out of left field. Don't play the Trump's innocent card. There's a reason Manafort is his guy. There's a reason Trump met with Russian officials with only Russian press present. There's a reason his phone calls with Australia were so public yet nobody listened to the call with Putin. There's a reason his son met with a Russian lawyer, as opposed to ANYONE ELSE, to "get dirt" on Clinton.

There's a reason Trump continues, including today, to say Russia didn't meddle in the election despite all of our intelligence agencies saying they did.

Dont be willfully obtuse.

OK, a few points. I believed russia meddled.  To help Trump? Clinton? hmm. I think they meddled to cause chaos. There has been proof for years the russians meddled in our elections.
Yes Donald Trump Jr. met with a russian to get dirt, he got none and he left. Yes he did meet to get the dirt. Is that illegal? I am not sure and there was no dirt given. We are splitting hairs at the moment, if the Russian lawyer had dirt on Clinton selling government secrets and Trump Jr Exposed it is that Bad?  One thing the dossier uncovered was the british spy that was paid by the clinton campaign  to make the pissing scandal come to light. To me both are dirty but illegal?

Now on the australia calls if you would enlighten I am willing to listen.

But the same intelligence agencies that were sending texts to each other saying they were going to sway the election to Hillary saying that trump meddled I find a little ... I dunno hard to believe
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/06/22/fbi-agent-peter-strzok-subpoenaed-after-anti-trump-text-messages/727290002/



rollntider

Quote from: Bucfever on June 28, 2018, 10:15:25 PM
You had 8 words that amounted to "I don't see it," again, you're ignoring the actions this admin and Trump have partaken in that further back up the words, and those 8 words that actually addressed the subject were they followed up by a lot of nothing which was a whole scarecrow argument and attempt to divert the convo in some way, considering the greater portion of your post had nothing to do with anything.

So, yes.
OK, I will just disagree. Thanks for the discussion though.



rollntider

Quote from: Bucfever on June 28, 2018, 10:06:55 PM

Or if he didn't round up Mexicans and throw their children into concentration camp-lite.

Or didn't institute a travel ban against Muslims (that left off countries where terrorists actually came from).

But if it sounds like a duck and acts like a duck, it's probably a duck.

I missed this one at first.  We were answering each other pretty fast.


Not ignoring it, but I am sure there is some good excuse for party X to do the same thing Party Y did, but it was my party so it is OK.