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Title: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: rollntider on February 25, 2019, 10:50:47 AM
Well been checking out the AAF and the Birmingham Iron. I did not watch the first game, but have watched the last 2 weeks. I think the Iron is a decent team but the WRs can't could not catch a cold (most teams not just Bham) Saw shoelace  yesterday, dropped some passes, still fast as hell though.

A few pros and cons.

Pros:

Its Football

Easy to watch the games on the Tube.

Some cool new rules (the onside possession rule, saw the 1st one in the league yesterday and it was exciting, removal of the XP, 2 pt conversion only, not the stupid way the NFL does it)

The football is exciting and pretty good.

You can still hit the QB, he is not a sacred cow. But still have safety as a concern.

QB's have been accurate.

I think the talent could be NFL quality they have a bit to go.

The football looks good,  I loved the XFL but it did look minor league. This looks like a true pro league (albeit minor league)

Cons:

I think the DL are more advanced at this stage, running games are hard sledding because most OLs get pushed around.

Most games I have watched I have seen plenty of Drops by the WRs.

Some minor league feel to it.

I miss the kickoffs, but they may be a thing of the past soon.


Overall I like the league and teams, it probably won't last, but it is fun football.

Bham team has a Brasil fan page :)

https://twitter.com/BrasilIron



Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: rollntider on April 15, 2019, 04:05:43 PM
well that didnt last long.
Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: BojackHorsefella on April 15, 2019, 04:37:03 PM
Quote from: rollntider on April 15, 2019, 04:05:43 PM
well that didnt last long.

I just got looks at work from genuinely laughing out loud at this.

Yeah, I mean, a new football league always SOUNDS interesting, but it doesn't seem like we'll ever have more than just NCAAF and NFL, with the rare Arena League or similar off-shoot puttering around.
Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: Rigg44 on April 16, 2019, 11:15:08 AM
I watched a couple of games and it wasn't bad. I just don't think these leagues are given the chance to develop.  They are not going to be high quality out of the box.  It is like you have a whole group of expansion teams playing each other, so it will take time.  Oh well, I thought this one had a chance but no such luck.
Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: Crewe on April 16, 2019, 02:08:42 PM
And no money to develop
Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: rollntider on April 23, 2019, 04:55:03 PM
I am still gonna pull for a minor league football league. The guy who infused 250 million only did so to buy the gambling software. I thought it was a good league.
Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: TheNorm on April 28, 2019, 07:14:50 PM
I love when solid defensive guys like Ed Oliver, Devin Bush, and Rashan Gary all fall into the Lions draft spot at #8, and in typical Lions fashion they draft a goddamn TE (the third time they've drafted a TE in the first round since 2009, I might add).

Idiotic organization.
Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: Crewe on April 28, 2019, 08:02:31 PM
Texans drafted a TE too despite being flush at the position with desperate needs elsewhere.  The war room freaked out when they discovered NE was looking at this guy. OMG, he's the next Gronk, get him!!
Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: TheNorm on August 22, 2019, 01:35:33 AM
LOL Dak Prescott thinks he's worth how much?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/vincentfrank/2019/08/12/nfl-contracts-cowboys-dak-prescott-demanding-40-million-annually/#116dfacd60ee

QuoteIt appears that the Dallas Cowboys and franchise quarterback Dak Prescott are at an impasse in contract extension talks. It was previously reported that Dallas had offered the Pro Bowl signal caller $30 million annually on a new deal.

Now comes this report from NFL Media's Jane Slater indicating that Prescott is demanding what would be a league-record $40 million annually.

LOL, if the Cowboys were smart (it's Jerry Jones so not really) you give most of that money to Zeke and tell Dak to f-ck off at the end of his rookie contract. But since it's Jerry he'll probably end up giving Dak Russell Wilson money when the kid can't carry Wilson's jockstrap.  ::)
Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: TheNorm on August 22, 2019, 08:16:47 AM
https://twitter.com/xfl2020/status/1164216435205447680

These logos look like something out of the team creator mode from Madden and NHL.
Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: Crewe on August 23, 2019, 09:46:46 PM
Quote from: TheNorm on August 22, 2019, 01:35:33 AM
LOL Dak Prescott thinks he's worth how much?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/vincentfrank/2019/08/12/nfl-contracts-cowboys-dak-prescott-demanding-40-million-annually/#116dfacd60ee

QuoteIt appears that the Dallas Cowboys and franchise quarterback Dak Prescott are at an impasse in contract extension talks. It was previously reported that Dallas had offered the Pro Bowl signal caller $30 million annually on a new deal.

Now comes this report from NFL Media's Jane Slater indicating that Prescott is demanding what would be a league-record $40 million annually.

LOL, if the Cowboys were smart (it's Jerry Jones so not really) you give most of that money to Zeke and tell Dak to f-ck off at the end of his rookie contract. But since it's Jerry he'll probably end up giving Dak Russell Wilson money when the kid can't carry Wilson's jockstrap.  ::)

I dont get it either. Cowboys will never ever win another Championship with JJ at the helm. Never.
And then we will have his idiot kid to deal with whose only saving grace was that he had the sense to pass on Johnny Football.
Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: TheNorm on August 25, 2019, 09:10:25 PM
Guess there was minor NFL news from yesterday...

https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/08/25/andrew-luck-retiring-nfl-indianapolis-colts

Seriously though, good for him to make that decision. Time to get out of the game if the injuries are taking their toll on your livelihood. Better to walk away healthy (somewhat anyway) instead of getting your head beat in on a regular basis.

Also glad the Colts organization isn't going the cheapskate route like the Lions did with Calvin Johnson and letting him keep the signing bonus.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/08/25/colts-wont-collect-money-owed-andrew-luck-retirement
Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: TheNorm on August 31, 2019, 11:29:09 AM
https://twitter.com/profootballtalk/status/1167818384286916614

Well this could definitely make Seattle's defense a bit more stout. Contender in the NFC now.
Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: Crewe on August 31, 2019, 11:54:33 AM
that's going to be an expensive trade if Seattle keeps him. Hope he stays healthy for all concerned.
Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: TheNorm on September 06, 2019, 10:57:32 AM
Quote from: Crewe on August 31, 2019, 11:54:33 AM
that's going to be an expensive trade if Seattle keeps him. Hope he stays healthy for all concerned.

Houston paying almost half of his contract this season sure helps...and makes me wonder WTF the Texans were thinking.

And did Green Bay finally find a defense or do the Bears just blow?
Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: BojackHorsefella on September 06, 2019, 12:05:09 PM
Quote from: TheNorm on September 06, 2019, 10:57:32 AM
Houston paying almost half of his contract this season sure helps...and makes me wonder WTF the Texans were thinking.

And did Green Bay finally find a defense or do the Bears just blow?


I got you Norm:

1) The Texans were basically thinking nothing, for they have no GM to think for them, and this is the result.

2) Mitchell Trubisky is the WORST.
Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: Crewe on September 06, 2019, 12:33:14 PM
yea, we have BoB as GM essentially.
My instinct is that they tried to unload Clowney prior to the trade deadline and couldn't. Afterwards, every other team had the upper hand and the Texans didn't want him or his salary on the roster, so this is what they get.
Then, he trades two firsts and a second for Tunsil. Hard to scoff at that really, I mean, to have any sort of chance they had to have an LT.
Sure gonna hurt come draft time though.
If I know the Teams though, more importantly, BoB, they might win the division and then exit after the first round as always.
Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: rollntider on September 07, 2019, 12:13:03 PM
Antonio Brown is released LOL
Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: rollntider on September 07, 2019, 12:13:59 PM
Quote from: rollntider on September 07, 2019, 12:13:03 PM
Antonio Brown is released LOL

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2019/09/07/antonio-brown-raiders-release-instagram/2245285001/

What a train wreck.
Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: BojackHorsefella on September 07, 2019, 12:52:45 PM
Quote from: rollntider on September 07, 2019, 12:13:59 PM
Quote from: rollntider on September 07, 2019, 12:13:03 PM
Antonio Brown is released LOL

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2019/09/07/antonio-brown-raiders-release-instagram/2245285001/

What a train wreck.

Guarantee you he goes to NE.

Although it's fun to see my brother and my buddy both think the Jets and Colts will get him on cap space alone.
Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: BojackHorsefella on September 07, 2019, 06:26:50 PM
https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1170441998391791619?s=20

Ugh.
Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: TheNorm on September 08, 2019, 04:21:42 PM
You know, when the last few days of the AB saga played out, I was thinking "wow, have we considered this dude might need some mental help and we need to get him there quickly..."

Fooled me. Dude's just an asshole.
Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: Crewe on September 15, 2019, 05:15:28 PM
this has been around a while now but its still a bur in my saddle. Another reason I dislike the NFL more and more.
This neutral zone infraction bullshit.
Used to be defense could jump and not get penalized if they get back onside before the snap, but not now. Its so silly when you think about it.
I mean, which side knows th snap count?  This crap about the offensive lineman being induced.
Fuck right off.
Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: Crewe on September 15, 2019, 06:38:19 PM
and the roughing the passer on Flacco. Please watch that and tell me wtf...seriously.
I haven't kept up with all the rule changes so, am I right in understanding the league can call down and order PI on any play they see fit, flag or no?
Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: TheNorm on September 16, 2019, 10:55:46 AM
Don't know much about any rule changes because college football has always been better to me than the pros anyway. I'll have to look for the roughing on Flacco, but this league has been trending toward protecting the offense and especially the QB for quite awhile now. I don't have a problem with that, but sometimes it goes too far.

https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1173605032534708226

This...is no good.

https://twitter.com/HolderStephen/status/1173331125630058496

This...is also no good. Dude's had one hell of a career...and I think he's officially the last NFL player in the league older than I am so I don't want to see him go.
Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: Crewe on September 16, 2019, 11:46:33 AM
Quote from: TheNorm on September 16, 2019, 10:55:46 AM
Don't know much about any rule changes because college football has always been better to me than the pros anyway. I'll have to look for the roughing on Flacco, but this league has been trending toward protecting the offense and especially the QB for quite awhile now. I don't have a problem with that, but sometimes it goes too far.

https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1173605032534708226

This...is no good.

https://twitter.com/HolderStephen/status/1173331125630058496

This...is also no good. Dude's had one hell of a career...and I think he's officially the last NFL player in the league older than I am so I don't want to see him go.

That's primarily the reason I've been detaching myself for the last 5-7 years.
There was also a makeup roughing the passer on the Bears QB Trubisky. It was just as egregious
Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: BojackHorsefella on September 16, 2019, 12:39:20 PM
Quote from: Crewe on September 16, 2019, 11:46:33 AM
That's primarily the reason I've been detaching myself for the last 5-7 years.
There was also a makeup roughing the passer on the Bears QB Trubisky. It was just as egregious

How I can tell I'm getting old: my detachment from football, haha. The game-related reasons, at least.

It's one thing to pull the "i'm tired of supporting these owners/bad actor players/unhealthy practices" etc, but when I get to the "THE GAME JUST ISN'T LIKE IT WAS" point, I know I'm old.

I got there yesterday. I complained to myself, in my head, about High Def. "Aw man, I remember being a kid, having the blurry television, Pat and John in the booth, and the shitty weather of Lambeau Field to look forward to on Sundays! GAMES JUST AREN'T LIKE THEY USED TO BE"

I got extremely excited about Lamar Jackson pulling out the Walter Payton high step. I am an old. :(
Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: Crewe on September 16, 2019, 12:58:03 PM
Quote from: BojackHorsefella on September 16, 2019, 12:39:20 PM
Quote from: Crewe on September 16, 2019, 11:46:33 AM
That's primarily the reason I've been detaching myself for the last 5-7 years.
There was also a makeup roughing the passer on the Bears QB Trubisky. It was just as egregious

How I can tell I'm getting old: my detachment from football, haha. The game-related reasons, at least.

It's one thing to pull the "i'm tired of supporting these owners/bad actor players/unhealthy practices" etc, but when I get to the "THE GAME JUST ISN'T LIKE IT WAS" point, I know I'm old.

I got there yesterday. I complained to myself, in my head, about High Def. "Aw man, I remember being a kid, having the blurry television, Pat and John in the booth, and the shitty weather of Lambeau Field to look forward to on Sundays! GAMES JUST AREN'T LIKE THEY USED TO BE"

I got extremely excited about Lamar Jackson pulling out the Walter Payton high step. I am an old. :(

I get the nostalgia, hoping your team was going to be one of the 3 games a week that were televised and all that, but to me, it's just a pure lack of logic, consistency and pure common sense.
I can accept the changes to the game regarding player safety, but sunday britches can you at least understand what constitutes a fucking catch?
That also relates to my earlier complaint about the neutral zone infraction. Who in the hell came up with that shit?
One team knows the snap count, the other doesn't. Who has the advantage here? You move early, you are penalized, but nooooo, defense moved, penalize him.  :o
Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: BojackHorsefella on September 16, 2019, 05:36:34 PM
Agreed with that two, the refs have always been awful but lately, as the rules become more and more convoluted it just waters down the play entirely.
Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: TheNorm on September 17, 2019, 06:10:08 AM
https://twitter.com/ItsAntWright/status/1173670106750234624
Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: TheNorm on September 23, 2019, 09:32:07 AM
Philly fans still mad about how their team lost to the Lions yesterday.

https://twitter.com/SteveLindsayCBS/status/1176062864701964288
Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: TheNorm on September 29, 2019, 03:27:40 PM
Your reminder that a shitheel like this clown gets chance after chance but Kaep is still blackballed.

https://twitter.com/sharpfootball/status/1178368999068966913
Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: TheNorm on September 29, 2019, 03:41:34 PM
That's my QB

https://twitter.com/bradgalli/status/1178393779239297025
Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: Crewe on September 29, 2019, 06:54:12 PM
Quote from: TheNorm on September 29, 2019, 03:27:40 PM
Your reminder that a shitheel like this clown gets chance after chance but Kaep is still blackballed.

https://twitter.com/sharpfootball/status/1178368999068966913

pure garbage, man.
id love to hear his explanation
Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: TheNorm on September 30, 2019, 11:52:59 AM
NFL didn't wait long...he's gone for the year.

https://twitter.com/AndrewSiciliano/status/1178697440251113472

He needs to be gone forever.
Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: Crewe on September 30, 2019, 12:05:38 PM
good and agree norm
Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: BojackHorsefella on October 08, 2019, 08:09:40 PM
Admittedly loathe to promote Barstool but the Gridiron Heights series is fantastic. Each episode is about a minute, and that's pretty much what keeps it fresh. The latest episode is absolutely a triumph:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijR6YCNdH-w
Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: TheNorm on October 13, 2019, 08:37:24 PM
Lol, "Dem Boys" lost to the Jets. 🤣🤣
How does Jason Garrett still have a job?
Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: Crewe on October 14, 2019, 10:18:49 AM
Quote from: TheNorm on October 13, 2019, 08:37:24 PM
Lol, "Dem Boys" lost to the Jets. 🤣🤣
How does Jason Garrett still have a job?

that was pathetic lol
I was for keeping Garrett when he first came on mid season. I thought he needed a fair shot to have a say so in a few drafts (with Jerry, lol who am I kidding?) and build the team in his vision. After a couple of seasons, it was clear he wasn't the guy.

On a somewhat different note; I must say I absolutely love the fact that most people seem to appreciate Romo's commentary along with his insight.
I feel like this vindicates him somewhat because now you can see, gee, you know, maybe it wasn't all his fault.
Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: TheNorm on October 15, 2019, 12:13:09 AM
What, the Lions got hosed on penalties again tonight? Gee, never seen that ending before.  ::)
Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: Crewe on October 15, 2019, 12:22:49 AM
I just laugh it off because I really try not to have any emotional attachment to this game anymore.
The refs are now like a militant cop in kevlar and head to toe camo cruising quiet neighborhoods looking to write tickets for parking violations.
Its just way way out of hand and people need to realize its not going to get any better in the coming years, its only going to get worse.
Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: TheNorm on October 15, 2019, 11:07:06 AM
https://twitter.com/DanMillerFox2/status/1184114705230630912

He's right. I've never seen the outrage quite like this. Like Crewe said though, nothing's gonna change so I just get to sit and accept this along with every other bullshit call that hosed the Lions out of Ws.
Fucking pissed off. Hate losing to that fucking squad in general with their little bitch QB, beaten them four straight and got screwed out of a fifth one. Detroit vs. Everybody.
Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: Crewe on October 15, 2019, 12:43:42 PM
Im hoping we are seeing a tipping point, but Im not optimistic.
On the one hand, we have the technology to ensure a better managed game and most rational people thought with the IR installed it would be better. Especially since it removes the human element.
The flip side is, it doesn't remove the human element. How many times do you have to listen to that NFL lapdog Steratore or Pereira incorrectly analyze an instant replay? It's sometimes quite impressive to hear the the mental gymnastics performed in order to swing from the NFL johnson.
So yea, the eye in the sky suggestion or whatever it was that was shot down by the NFL doesn't really matter IMO because you are still going to have NFL "elements" imparting their biased interpretations of the voluminous yet absurdly vague league rulebook.
I just always reiterate an axiom uttered by the great George Carlin....it's bullshit and its bad for ya...
Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: BojackHorsefella on October 18, 2019, 03:53:29 PM


Seems relevant given our most recent discussion in here.
Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: Crewe on October 18, 2019, 05:30:25 PM
that was a fun watch, but I always see these types of things with a bit of a chip on my shoulder. Like these fellas projecting that the 90's was "old school" and talks about astroturf for example....uh, you know that was in use in the late 70's, right?

Apparently not.

It is always interesting to see the rule changes and uni advances, but I appreciate, or hate, if you will, the very thing they discussed which was cluttering the screen with all the NFL feces. That irritated my from day one and still does.  I know, get off your lawn....Im going Im going...
Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: BojackHorsefella on October 18, 2019, 05:52:58 PM
Yeah, there's some douchey bits for sure (OLD SCHOOL FOOTBAW!!!!), but I'm a sucker for anything nostalgic. Seeing those old TV visuals and what-not only brings back pleasant memories of easy Sundays growing up.
Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: TheNorm on November 10, 2019, 09:35:06 AM
https://twitter.com/hammerfox2/status/1193530876229046272

*sigh* At least the Lions have

*checks notes*

What the fork is a Jeff Driskel? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: BojackHorsefella on November 11, 2019, 03:40:56 PM
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28058800/charles-rogers-former-lions-michigan-state-wr-dies-38

Liver failure and a cancer diagnosis, I can't even begin to imagine. Only 6 years older than me.
Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: Crewe on November 11, 2019, 07:01:42 PM
"They had given him 30 days to live if he didn't get a liver transplant."

Jesus fuck how brutal.  :(
His family, I can't imagine....
Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: Rigg44 on November 12, 2019, 11:14:33 AM
That is to bad. No day is promised, so I hope he at least can get closure in his time that is left.  It is always tragic when someone so young leaves so early.

Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: TheNorm on November 12, 2019, 12:27:24 PM
Was absolutely shocked when I read that yesterday morning...damn that kid could play. Easily one of the best talents to come out of this state. Damn shame those injuries as well as his own troubles derailed him. Curious how he could've turned out if he'd had a better support system. Granted, we all make our own choices and we've all got our own demons to deal with...but sometimes all it takes is more people to go to bat for you and nurture you instead of those taking what they can.

Simply tragic.
Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: TheNorm on November 15, 2019, 10:06:04 AM
I know you've all seen it by now...Myles Garrett deserves to be suspended for the rest of the season and maybe even part of next.

That being said, don't let his action distract from the fact that Mason Rudolph started all of it and is a straight up punk bitch.
Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: Crewe on November 15, 2019, 10:39:49 AM
I didnt see the game, all I saw was from the tackle onward, about a hundred and seventy five thousand times in two and a half minutes of Sportscenter. Jesus those guys....

In any event, Garrett with a tackle on Rudolph after the ball was gone. Did Garrett know it was gone? Was the whistle blowing? I dont know the answer to either but what I see is Garrett wrapped up Rudolph and took him to the ground, Rudolph took exception and initially tried to push his head in to the ground, albeit quite briefly, then resorted to try to remove his helmet and Garrett reacted harshly.
To me, at this point, its just another skirmish in the NFL, no big deal. As they rise, Garrett is retaliating, tugging the facemark and helmet of Rudolph who no longer has any sort of upper hand in this face off, if he ever did, and his helmet is now in the possession of the Brown.
Another Steeler has been trying to remove Garrett from the scenario, as peacefully as one might in an NFL game during which time Rudolph is back up and charging Garrett (to retrieve his helmet say Steeler fans) who responds by throwing an overhand right with Rudolph's helmet, clocking him in the head.

I dont see how anyone but Garrett gets tagged with a suspension here. Yea, he got fired up and Rudolph was trying to remove his helmet, but aggressively tugging another players head around by the facemask was bit more than give and take. That said, if it ended there, id still probably not have a big problem with it. A fine maybe, and a flag would suffice I think.
But that overhead smash, man, thats inexcusable.
Both guys took exception and we can debate who started what all day, but I know we can all agree that haymaker deserves severe punishment.
Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: BojackHorsefella on November 15, 2019, 11:18:37 AM
It feels like the closest thing to an NFL Bertuzzi incident since Gurode and Haynesworth.
Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: Rigg44 on November 15, 2019, 04:09:05 PM
Quote from: Crewe on November 15, 2019, 10:39:49 AM
I didnt see the game, all I saw was from the tackle onward, about a hundred and seventy five thousand times in two and a half minutes of Sportscenter. Jesus those guys....

In any event, Garrett with a tackle on Rudolph after the ball was gone. Did Garrett know it was gone? Was the whistle blowing? I dont know the answer to either but what I see is Garrett wrapped up Rudolph and took him to the ground, Rudolph took exception and initially tried to push his head in to the ground, albeit quite briefly, then resorted to try to remove his helmet and Garrett reacted harshly.
To me, at this point, its just another skirmish in the NFL, no big deal. As they rise, Garrett is retaliating, tugging the facemark and helmet of Rudolph who no longer has any sort of upper hand in this face off, if he ever did, and his helmet is now in the possession of the Brown.
Another Steeler has been trying to remove Garrett from the scenario, as peacefully as one might in an NFL game during which time Rudolph is back up and charging Garrett (to retrieve his helmet say Steeler fans) who responds by throwing an overhand right with Rudolph's helmet, clocking him in the head.

I don't see how anyone but Garrett gets tagged with a suspension here. Yea, he got fired up and Rudolph was trying to remove his helmet, but aggressively tugging another players head around by the facemask was bit more than give and take. That said, if it ended there, id still probably not have a big problem with it. A fine maybe, and a flag would suffice I think.
But that overhead smash, man, that's inexcusable.
Both guys took exception and we can debate who started what all day, but I know we can all agree that haymaker deserves severe punishment.

Agree 1000% I have heard analyst trying to split hairs but in the end once he decided to use the helmet as a weapon there should be no more discussion.  He should be out the rest of this season and part of next at least.
Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: BojackHorsefella on November 15, 2019, 04:19:00 PM
Quote from: Rigg44 on November 15, 2019, 04:09:05 PM
Agree 1000% I have heard analyst trying to split hairs but in the end once he decided to use the helmet as a weapon there should be no more discussion. He should be out the rest of this season and part of next at least.

Well, he is out the rest of this season, including post-season (if Cleveland makes it). Agree with part of next too. I know he's apologized since, but there's simply no place for anything like what he did last night. This is the time the NFL absolutely needs to send a message.

Also, isn't it weird how many people have bent over backwards to defend Garrett? Like, why? How is this a freaking Rorschach test?
Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: TheNorm on November 15, 2019, 04:45:39 PM
Haven't been online much today, but people have actually tried to defend Garrett? F that, dude deserves just about whatever he has coming.
Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: Crewe on November 15, 2019, 06:57:17 PM
I saw Sportscenter when at the gym so thankfully I didnt have to listen to the audio, and also Skip Bayless was on so there's that too.
So I didnt hear any discussion but if anyone is defending that action, Id almost want to hear the mental gymnastics it....well, never mind, Im good.  :D

Quote from: TheNorm on November 15, 2019, 04:45:39 PM
Haven't been online much today, but people have actually tried to defend Garrett? F that, dude deserves just about whatever he has coming.

And then some.
Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: TheNorm on November 29, 2019, 10:34:24 AM
Yes, we've reached that time once again...a tradition unlike any other.

https://twitter.com/richeisen/status/1200156765251223552

Fire everybody. Matt Patricia sucks. Bob Quinn sucks too (the NE template, fork right off).
Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: Crewe on November 29, 2019, 02:25:27 PM
yea, things are pretty bad up there norm.
But to me, Houston and Dallas might as well be that bad. I mean, they are both in eternal purgatory that is mediocrity.
BoB keeps saying, that's on me, I've got to do better, but he never does, year after year. The Texans think, oh hey we won the shitty talentless South Division, so..Champions! And that getting to to the playoffs, or winning a WC game and getting blown out is an accomplishment.
Well, it is, IF YOU IMPROVE over the net, I dont know, 5 years? But it's the same shit, over and over and over.
Same with JG. Everyone hated him and were calling him to be fired after in season 2 or 3. I defended him. Let him have his influence in the draft, let him get his guys and build his team and execute his plan, then judge him.
Well, he's had that time and he's failed.
Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: TheNorm on December 06, 2019, 06:01:45 AM
The NFC East sucks something awful. 🤣
Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: Crewe on December 06, 2019, 10:26:02 AM
Quote from: TheNorm on December 06, 2019, 06:01:45 AM
The NFC East sucks something awful. 🤣

it's so bad, Detroit could almost be a part of it  ;)
Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: Rigg44 on December 06, 2019, 11:15:39 AM
Quote from: Crewe on December 06, 2019, 10:26:02 AM
Quote from: TheNorm on December 06, 2019, 06:01:45 AM
The NFC East sucks something awful. 🤣

it's so bad, Detroit could almost be a part of it  ;)

If Detroit was in our division they would more than likely win it.  My team is terrible and so far our 7th overall wonder kid Haskins doesn't look like the answer. The East is the least right now.

Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: Crewe on December 06, 2019, 12:20:18 PM
Quote from: Rigg44 on December 06, 2019, 11:15:39 AM
Quote from: Crewe on December 06, 2019, 10:26:02 AM
Quote from: TheNorm on December 06, 2019, 06:01:45 AM
The NFC East sucks something awful. 🤣

it's so bad, Detroit could almost be a part of it  ;)

If Detroit was in our division they would more than likely win it.  My team is terrible and so far our 7th overall wonder kid Haskins doesn't look like the answer. The East is the least right now.

I get that the NFC sucks and I won't defend it, except to tease norm, but this is a reach
Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: Rigg44 on December 06, 2019, 02:41:26 PM
Quote from: Crewe on December 06, 2019, 12:20:18 PM
Quote from: Rigg44 on December 06, 2019, 11:15:39 AM
Quote from: Crewe on December 06, 2019, 10:26:02 AM
Quote from: TheNorm on December 06, 2019, 06:01:45 AM
The NFC East sucks something awful. 🤣

it's so bad, Detroit could almost be a part of it  ;)

If Detroit was in our division they would more than likely win it.  My team is terrible and so far our 7th overall wonder kid Haskins doesn't look like the answer. The East is the least right now.

I get that the NFC sucks and I won't defend it, except to tease norm, but this is a reach

Not the NFC just the NFC east
Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: Crewe on December 06, 2019, 03:30:59 PM
Yea, I accidentally omitted the East, but yea, Lions still wouldn't win that division
Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: TheNorm on December 06, 2019, 07:01:22 PM
Quote from: Crewe on December 06, 2019, 10:26:02 AM
Quote from: TheNorm on December 06, 2019, 06:01:45 AM
The NFC East sucks something awful. 🤣

it's so bad, Detroit could almost be a part of it  ;)

As someone that rips the organization on a regular basis...yeah?  :D
Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: TheNorm on December 29, 2019, 10:53:29 PM
So as someone that briefly dated someone he works with that turned out to be a Packers fan...is it possible for me to enter witness protection at this point? Just curious.
Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: Crewe on December 30, 2019, 03:31:49 AM
Quote from: TheNorm on December 29, 2019, 10:53:29 PM
So as someone that briefly dated someone he works with that turned out to be a Packers fan...is it possible for me to enter witness protection at this point? Just curious.

I thought that would have been red flagged during the initial background check?
Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: TheNorm on December 30, 2019, 05:46:02 AM
Didn't come out until after we'd stopped dating lol, otherwise it probably wouldn't have happened in the first place. 🤣
Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: BojackHorsefella on December 30, 2019, 02:06:39 PM
Not a Stephen A fan, but gotta admit, this is excellent:

https://twitter.com/stephenasmith/status/1211447462822580225
Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: Crewe on December 30, 2019, 09:24:26 PM
I didnt watch that, because I think SAS is the worst person in sports, period.

That said, Im glad the Cowboys were eliminated. Theres some sorta something thats kinda like, if you make the playoffs, thats a good coaching season.
Currently dealing with that in Houston. BoB will get the Texans in the playoffs and he thinks thats just great. NM it will be a one and done like always.
Well, not for him, he hasn't had a 1 yet, just the done. A career of 9-7 mediocre teams that win a shit division and can never be considered contenders somehow think he's on BB's level.

I went off road there for a sec, but all that said, it will be interested what happens with JG this offseason.
Personally, I think he has a good coaching mind, he's just not a disciplinarian by any stretch and of course we will never know any persons real talent until they operate outside of JJ.
Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: TheNorm on January 04, 2020, 08:58:47 PM
My god, Deshaun Watson.

https://twitter.com/worldofisaac/status/1213629446978064384

And damn, Bills lost exactly the way I imagine the Lions would lose a playoff game.

You know, if they could actually win more than nine games in a season...or win a playoff game more than once in 40 some years... 🤦🏽‍♂️
Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: TheNorm on January 04, 2020, 11:49:22 PM
...and just like that, down goes New England. Ryan Tannehill with the 72 yard passing game.

https://twitter.com/hoarsewisperer/status/1213680456379641861
Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: TheNorm on January 05, 2020, 12:02:09 AM
https://twitter.com/minakimes/status/1213652817556099072

I'd rather tackle Derrick Henry lol, your Droids are trash 🤣🤣🤣
Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: BojackHorsefella on January 05, 2020, 12:06:28 AM
Quote from: TheNorm on January 05, 2020, 12:02:09 AM
https://twitter.com/minakimes/status/1213652817556099072

I'd rather tackle Derrick Henry lol, your Droids are trash 🤣🤣🤣

Ouch Norm. Ouch. :(
Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: Crewe on January 05, 2020, 04:15:39 AM
That Texans game was tense!
I enjoyed watching Allen and Watson duel. Bills were unstoppable in the first half but but couldn't do enough in the second, although that kickoff fiasco should have been a safety.
Only reason I disliked it was now, BoB, having beat the Pats and winning a WC game just added years to his tenure, long enough for him to waste the prime of Watson and Hopkins..

I knew the Pats weren't great and the Titans weren't all that bad but I didn't expect a Tennessee win.
I loved seeing Bellicheck out-Bellichecked by his former player. Honestly, he should be proud. Norm I bet Kraft is heading over to handy town  :D
Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: TheNorm on January 05, 2020, 04:47:13 PM
Saints get jobbed on a pass interference two years in a row? Impressive.

It'll be even more fun to see next season as a Lions fan when Hockenson does it and subsequently gets flagged for it. This f'ing league lol
Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: Crewe on January 05, 2020, 05:19:04 PM
Quote from: TheNorm on January 05, 2020, 04:47:13 PM
Saints get jobbed on a pass interference two years in a row? Impressive.

It'll be even more fun to see next season as a Lions fan when Hockenson does it and subsequently gets flagged for it. This f'ing league lol

The league is such a joke and has been for decades.
Everyone acts like this is a new thing but its not. Things began to decline eons ago.
Every single year they keep adding more and more bullshit to the rulebook which creates more and more loopholes an more importantly, imparts refs to interpret vague rules.
It's only going to get worse. Especially in this era of Corporate America protecting it's interests at all costs via monopolization.
NFL doesn't give a fuck about you or anyone else because they know that no matter how bad it gets, fans will continue to tune in because there is no other viable option.
Basically, tune in, bitch about, hate us, whatever, but tune in you will.


I had to add this via edit because I just thought Idpoint out an observation I had about how fans are so narrow minded about ref calls.
So some fans were adamant that the Bills be awarded a safety (or TD) on that kickoff flub because despite the "common sense" call that he obviously gave himself up, the rulebook specifically states how to give yourself up, he didnt abide by that, therefore Bills were robbed.
You cannot have the refs interpreting certain rules violations.

ok fine.

Same fans. Same fans after Saints game, that was not OPI in a playoff game! It was hand fighting, no PI call, legit TD.
ok, even though there is zero doubt he violated the rule, but the refs decided no. hmmm....

This is a huge part of the problem to me, not because of idiot narrow minded fans, but for the refs. Yea, they are terrible by and large, but at the same time, the league puts them in a horrible position.
Each year, they have long standing rules they are going to intermittently enforce from year to year depending on what happens that particular season, ala blindside blocks.
The league will say, let this kind f foul go, but call this one tighter, but it revolves around PI and holding calls mostly which are all interpreted calls to begin with. Therefore its hard for the refits develop any continuity across the league.

Another complaint of mine, which was mentioned in yesterdays game; early on that idiot Booger said something like there's 80 years of ref experience on the field, implying these guys are the best. Minutes later they fuck up the kick off return.
I dont like the idea of these All Star ref crews. They pull individuals from different crews based on ratings throughout the season and create a new crew.
That decent work, these guys have zero chemistry. They all bring a different idea about how a game should be called and it creates a confused unstable inconsistent crew.
Why not pick a crew who gels together and understands each other? Its just so obvious to me.
Why do you think All Star teams suck? They aren't used to being together, its a bunch of individuals, not a cohesive unit.
Anyway, fuck the NFL
Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: TheNorm on January 11, 2020, 11:26:47 PM
Ravens in the playoffs? Nevermore.
*shows self to door*

Titans have a vibe right now...also nice knowing the Lions interviewed Vrabel before going with the bumbling idiot they have now. Good times.
Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: Crewe on January 11, 2020, 11:40:02 PM
I knew this was going to happen today because I picked the Vikings and Ravens.
Everyone look at my picks tomorrow, place your bets and thank me later
Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: BojackHorsefella on January 11, 2020, 11:58:31 PM
My buddy says Derrick Henry was created in a lab specifically to ruin the Pats and Ravens, and you know, I can't say that he's wrong.
Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: TheNorm on January 12, 2020, 09:29:31 AM
https://twitter.com/BradGalli/status/1216361099131609088

Missed seeing this yesterday, but this is pretty damn cool and well deserved.
Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: Crewe on January 12, 2020, 04:12:04 PM
That Cower clip was cool.

I came in to say, as of now, its 24-7 HOU with 8:50 left in the first half, but the Texans will lose this game having led 24-0
Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: Crewe on January 12, 2020, 04:22:54 PM
lol its been what, 4 minutes? Its now 24-21
Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: Crewe on January 12, 2020, 04:44:38 PM
lol 28-24 and its not even half time yet
Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: BojackHorsefella on January 12, 2020, 04:46:28 PM
Crewe, go get yourself some alcohol. They've earned it for you.
Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: TheNorm on January 12, 2020, 04:52:27 PM
Quote from: Crewe on January 12, 2020, 04:12:04 PM
That Cower clip was cool.

I came in to say, as of now, its 24-7 HOU with 8:50 left in the first half, but the Texans will lose this game having led 24-0

Romo said it: momentum changed when Houston settled for three at 4th and a foot in the redzone. Still expecting even more crazy shit, but man...
Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: Crewe on January 12, 2020, 05:37:24 PM
Quote from: TheNorm on January 12, 2020, 04:52:27 PM
Quote from: Crewe on January 12, 2020, 04:12:04 PM
That Cower clip was cool.

I came in to say, as of now, its 24-7 HOU with 8:50 left in the first half, but the Texans will lose this game having led 24-0

Romo said it: momentum changed when Houston settled for three at 4th and a foot in the redzone. Still expecting even more crazy shit, but man...

yep, those little things are why BoB isn't a great coach. That 4th down they attempted but failed, I actually like the call, but agree with Romo, they waited.
way too long plus it was a great open field tackle. One guy, he misses, its possibly a TD.

No need to buc, I was prepared lol

41 unanswered
Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: TheNorm on January 12, 2020, 06:15:42 PM
Bill O'Brien needs to be canned.

Go Seahawks. Please.
Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: Crewe on January 12, 2020, 06:51:16 PM
Quote from: TheNorm on January 12, 2020, 06:15:42 PM
Bill O'Brien needs to be canned.

Go Seahawks. Please.

I agree norm but like I said earlier, he now beat NE and won a playoff game so that will get him another 10 years on his contract.

And tbf, it's not ALL on him, I mean scoring 31 should b good enough to win. Giving up 51 will hardly ever win.
I think RC is just as culpable.
It really is a talented team but BoB can't get the most out of them. its just like JG in Dallas. I mean, JJ, he is after all, the coach ;-)
Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: Crewe on January 12, 2020, 09:10:26 PM
They just did the same thing to Jimmy Johnson, teeing him of his HOF induction on air.
I loved the reaction from Aikman. JJ absolutely deserves it. Damn shame Jones is such a petulant narcissistic egomaniac because I would be anything Johnson could have had at least 3 SB's.
God I hate that fucker so much
Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: TheNorm on January 13, 2020, 12:38:23 AM
Quote from: Crewe on January 12, 2020, 09:10:26 PM
They just did the same thing to Jimmy Johnson, teeing him of his HOF induction on air.
I loved the reaction from Aikman. JJ absolutely deserves it. Damn shame Jones is such a petulant narcissistic egomaniac because I would be anything Johnson could have had at least 3 SB's.
God I hate that fucker so much

Can they do all these HOF announcements like this, with a live cam? I'd watch that. I'd feel awful for the ones that didn't get the call, but man.

Help me San Francisco, you're my only hope. Not looking forward to seven more days of Packer fan not shutting the fork up about their team and A-A Ron.
Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: Crewe on January 13, 2020, 02:17:00 AM
Quote from: TheNorm on January 13, 2020, 12:38:23 AM
Quote from: Crewe on January 12, 2020, 09:10:26 PM
They just did the same thing to Jimmy Johnson, teeing him of his HOF induction on air.
I loved the reaction from Aikman. JJ absolutely deserves it. Damn shame Jones is such a petulant narcissistic egomaniac because I would be anything Johnson could have had at least 3 SB's.
God I hate that fucker so much

Can they do all these HOF announcements like this, with a live cam? I'd watch that. I'd feel awful for the ones that didn't get the call, but man.

Help me San Francisco, you're my only hope. Not looking forward to seven more days of Packer fan not shutting the fork up about their team and A-A Ron.

Where are you that pits you around Packer fans?
Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: TheNorm on January 13, 2020, 08:51:25 AM
The hospital I currently have a contract at until the end of February is about 30 miles north of downtown Chicago, and about 20 minutes south of the Wisconsin border so there's a decent mix of Packers fans, Bears fans, and me, the Lions fan stuck in the middle of it all. Packer backers have easily been the most insufferable of the group, and that was even before the season started.

Granted I did date one of them for a bit (which clearly reveals deep flaws about me), but in my defense I didn't know where her allegiance lied until after we stopped dating. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: BojackHorsefella on January 13, 2020, 10:30:44 AM
I dated a Steelers fan once. We all make choices we regret.
Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: Crewe on January 13, 2020, 06:46:01 PM
Quote from: TheNorm on January 13, 2020, 08:51:25 AM
The hospital I currently have a contract at until the end of February is about 30 miles north of downtown Chicago, and about 20 minutes south of the Wisconsin border so there's a decent mix of Packers fans, Bears fans, and me, the Lions fan stuck in the middle of it all. Packer backers have easily been the most insufferable of the group, and that was even before the season started.

Granted I did date one of them for a bit (which clearly reveals deep flaws about me), but in my defense I didn't know where her allegiance lied until after we stopped dating. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

LOL
Yea I can see you are outnumbered, handily. Are they worse than the Blackhawk fans?
Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: Crewe on January 13, 2020, 06:47:34 PM
Quote from: BojackHorsefella on January 13, 2020, 10:30:44 AM
I dated a Steelers fan once. We all make choices we regret.

I unknowingly diddled a 49er fan. Karma is still haunting me for that one.
Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: TheNorm on January 13, 2020, 08:14:42 PM
Quote from: Crewe on January 13, 2020, 06:46:01 PM
Quote from: TheNorm on January 13, 2020, 08:51:25 AM
The hospital I currently have a contract at until the end of February is about 30 miles north of downtown Chicago, and about 20 minutes south of the Wisconsin border so there's a decent mix of Packers fans, Bears fans, and me, the Lions fan stuck in the middle of it all. Packer backers have easily been the most insufferable of the group, and that was even before the season started.

Granted I did date one of them for a bit (which clearly reveals deep flaws about me), but in my defense I didn't know where her allegiance lied until after we stopped dating. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

LOL
Yea I can see you are outnumbered, handily. Are they worse than the Blackhawk fans?


The Blackhawks suck again so they've gone back into hiding lol.
Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: Crewe on January 13, 2020, 09:42:09 PM
haha, so its Packers and Bears now, I think you can fend em off
Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: BojackHorsefella on January 14, 2020, 08:43:16 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/121725875664131686

Holy shit
Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: TheNorm on January 14, 2020, 09:40:27 PM
Schefter deleted that tweet, but I'm assuming it's alluding to this?

https://twitter.com/SInow/status/1217270958576238592

Holy shit indeed.
Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: BojackHorsefella on January 14, 2020, 11:07:27 PM
Yup, that was it
Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: TheNorm on January 14, 2020, 11:55:20 PM
I get the feeling the number of players retiring early is only going to increase. Never to the point the league would consider it a crisis, but enough that people will talk.
Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: Crewe on January 15, 2020, 11:16:51 AM
Quote from: TheNorm on January 14, 2020, 11:55:20 PM
I get the feeling the number of players retiring early is only going to increase. Never to the point the league would consider it a crisis, but enough that people will talk.

And with that, contracts are going to increase even more which means tickets, Merck etc will go along with it.
Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: Crewe on January 17, 2020, 09:36:19 PM
The clapper is now the OC for the NYG
Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: Crewe on January 19, 2020, 07:58:28 PM
I know norm is a happy camper today lol
Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: Crewe on January 19, 2020, 08:42:31 PM
Man, I thought intuit KC game, nobody can touch them.
then SF is dismantling GB like they wee a HS team.
Should be a great SB!
Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: TheNorm on January 19, 2020, 09:18:02 PM
Quote from: Crewe on January 19, 2020, 07:58:28 PM
I know norm is a happy camper today lol

Isn't over yet, Niners took their foot off the gas a bit.
Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: TheNorm on January 19, 2020, 10:15:47 PM
Quote from: Crewe on January 19, 2020, 08:42:31 PM
Man, I thought intuit KC game, nobody can touch them.
then SF is dismantling GB like they wee a HS team.
Should be a great SB!

This might be the first Super Bowl in awhile that I'm truly excited about. Absolutely a great matchup, plus Shakira for the halftime show...yes, please.
Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: Crewe on January 19, 2020, 11:25:36 PM
Yea Im looking forward to it as well.
they still have halftime shows?  ???
Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: TheNorm on January 20, 2020, 12:47:48 AM
Not to put too much pressure on these two, but anyone else feel like Mahomes/Jackson is the next Brady/Manning?
Going to enjoy watching those two battle it out the next few seasons.
Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: Crewe on January 20, 2020, 12:58:57 AM
Quote from: TheNorm on January 20, 2020, 12:47:48 AM
Not to put too much pressure on these two, but anyone else feel like Mahomes/Jackson is the next Brady/Manning?
Going to enjoy watching those two battle it out the next few seasons.

There's a few QB's to watch so it should be fun.
I also find that Rogers has sorta been the conduit between the old guard and the new.
The traditional drop back QB is much less visible now and the new stars are dual threats.
It's not just an anomaly like Cunningham or Vick or Young. The true scramblers Tarkenton and Staubach are gone, this breed has busted the old myth that a running QB couldn't be a pocket passer, i.e., can't consistently make NFL throws.
Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: TheNorm on January 20, 2020, 10:42:00 AM
https://twitter.com/skitchP/status/1219055592859426817

Because of course.
Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: Rigg44 on January 20, 2020, 01:54:32 PM
Quote from: Crewe on January 20, 2020, 12:58:57 AM
Quote from: TheNorm on January 20, 2020, 12:47:48 AM
Not to put too much pressure on these two, but anyone else feel like Mahomes/Jackson is the next Brady/Manning?
Going to enjoy watching those two battle it out the next few seasons.

There's a few QB's to watch so it should be fun.
I also find that Rogers has sorta been the conduit between the old guard and the new.
The traditional drop back QB is much less visible now and the new stars are dual threats.
It's not just an anomaly like Cunningham or Vick or Young. The true scramblers Tarkenton and Staubach are gone, this breed has busted the old myth that a running QB couldn't be a pocket passer, i.e., can't consistently make NFL throws.

I agree but the transition is mostly due to the rules changes within the NFL.  The protection afforded Qb's and defenseless receivers is why you see this style of play working now where it did not in the past.  If you went over the middle in the 70's and 80's you were taking your life into your own hands. Just like if you ran as a QB you were considered a RB in the old days and would get lit up.  I am taking nothing away from them but merely pointing out the change is due more to new rules than some evelutonary leap in play.
Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: Crewe on January 20, 2020, 02:44:31 PM
Quote from: Rigg44 on January 20, 2020, 01:54:32 PM
Quote from: Crewe on January 20, 2020, 12:58:57 AM
Quote from: TheNorm on January 20, 2020, 12:47:48 AM
Not to put too much pressure on these two, but anyone else feel like Mahomes/Jackson is the next Brady/Manning?
Going to enjoy watching those two battle it out the next few seasons.

There's a few QB's to watch so it should be fun.
I also find that Rogers has sorta been the conduit between the old guard and the new.
The traditional drop back QB is much less visible now and the new stars are dual threats.
It's not just an anomaly like Cunningham or Vick or Young. The true scramblers Tarkenton and Staubach are gone, this breed has busted the old myth that a running QB couldn't be a pocket passer, i.e., can't consistently make NFL throws.

I agree but the transition is mostly due to the rules changes within the NFL.  The protection afforded Qb's and defenseless receivers is why you see this style of play working now where it did not in the past.  If you went over the middle in the 70's and 80's you were taking your life into your own hands. Just like if you ran as a QB you were considered a RB in the old days and would get lit up.  I am taking nothing away from them but merely pointing out the change is due more to new rules than some evelutonary leap in play.

The running QB has been protected via the slide, it's just many of them didn't. I think QB's getting buried while in the pocket is what's prolonged the position life. I mean I remember in 1978 Jack Lambert of the Steelers saying you were going to have to put a dress on the QB's because of the flags.
I just think the pure athleticism of QB's being able to be a legit double threat is what's changing.
You always had guys like Elway who was Superman when it came to being elusive, but he wasn't a "runner" if you will, ala Vick.
But remember when a college running QB would get to an NFL team and everyone would say ahh he'll fail, that doesn't fly in this league. And the most part they were right, but its just evolved and I think the pocket passer, ala Aikman are pretty much pase. That's not to say I disagree with you because I dont, rules most certainly helped protect QB's.
There's n doubt defenses are hamstrung by these soft rules nowadays, but with regard to a runner, you saw Tannehill get trucked because he didnt slide, so its still dangerous, but they have just limited the areas where you can hit a runner.
I dont think that has anything to do with a QB deciding to run with the ball or not.
That's just my take anyway.

While we're on it, Ill add that in NCAA, the NC game, what a shit rule that targeting penalty is the refs call.
I was LSU, but that kid for Clemson that got tossed at such a pivotal time. There was no malice and it wasn't a black and white disturbing hit.
It just pisses me off because you have these bean counters that sit back in their ivory towers and say well, science says the crown of the helmet is most dangerous, therefore illegal. Never played a down in their life and simply cannot understand how fast the game is and how athletic these guys are and can change the angle of a hit in less than a second. They dont allow for that type of interpretation.

Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: BojackHorsefella on January 22, 2020, 11:34:44 PM
https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/eslqvw/slater_scoop_an_arrest_warrant_was_just_issued/

Saw someone say in the comments somewhere, but supposedly AB's behavior started after the Burfict or not. I don't know if that's true, but I think this is clearly CTE related. Nobody spirals this fast solely on personality.
Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: Crewe on January 22, 2020, 11:36:07 PM
Quote from: BojackHorsefella on January 22, 2020, 11:34:44 PM
https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/eslqvw/slater_scoop_an_arrest_warrant_was_just_issued/

Saw someone say in the comments somewhere, but supposedly AB's behavior started after the Burfict or not. I don't know if that's true, but I think this is clearly CTE related. Nobody spirals this fast solely on personality.

Ocho Cinco?
Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: BojackHorsefella on January 22, 2020, 11:38:50 PM
Quote from: Crewe on January 22, 2020, 11:36:07 PM
Quote from: BojackHorsefella on January 22, 2020, 11:34:44 PM
https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/eslqvw/slater_scoop_an_arrest_warrant_was_just_issued/

Saw someone say in the comments somewhere, but supposedly AB's behavior started after the Burfict or not. I don't know if that's true, but I think this is clearly CTE related. Nobody spirals this fast solely on personality.

Ocho Cinco?

Maybe I misremembered. It wasn't in the Reddit comments I don't think, maybe I got the LB wrong. Regardless, even without a specific hit, the behavior is too bizarre to not be related to CTE, in my internet poster, non-medical opinion.
Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: Crewe on February 02, 2020, 08:51:25 PM
These halftime shows are ridiculously long. I think that was longer than the entire first half.
Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: TheNorm on February 02, 2020, 11:47:25 PM
Quote from: Crewe on February 02, 2020, 08:51:25 PM
These halftime shows are ridiculously long. I think that was longer than the entire first half.

Nah, the first half leading up to the main event of Shakira was too long. J. Lo was pretty good too (cot damn she's 50), but she isn't Shakira. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯  Top 5 halftime show. 🤣

Slightly more serious, that was a pretty damn good Super Bowl. Happy for Andy Reid, the Chiefs, and the state of Kansas which is apparently home to Kansas City now. Was nice to watch a Super Bowl where I didn't really despise anyone (other than Nick Bosa) and was okay with either team taking the title home.
Title: Re: 2019 Pro Football Thread
Post by: Rigg44 on February 03, 2020, 12:23:04 PM
Quote from: TheNorm on February 02, 2020, 11:47:25 PM
Quote from: Crewe on February 02, 2020, 08:51:25 PM
These halftime shows are ridiculously long. I think that was longer than the entire first half.

Nah, the first half leading up to the main event of Shakira was too long. J. Lo was pretty good too (cot damn she's 50), but she isn't Shakira. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯  Top 5 halftime show. 🤣

Slightly more serious, that was a pretty damn good Super Bowl. Happy for Andy Reid, the Chiefs, and the state of Kansas which is apparently home to Kansas City now. Was nice to watch a Super Bowl where I didn't really despise anyone (other than Nick Bosa) and was okay with either team taking the title home.

It was a good game and I in fact thought the half time show was in line with what is to be expected from it, my daughters liked it?  I know you are making light of the KC in Kansas deal but trust me while I am not a Chiefs fan the rest of my home state of Kansas is.  The town is in both states and it doesn't matter where the stadium is located to the half thats in Kansas.