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Title: Do You Remember.....
Post by: BojackHorsefella on September 18, 2018, 05:37:42 PM
Feel free to post your own "do you remembers" in here, whether it's "do you remember this movie" or "this scene" or whatever.

I'll start.

Hey, do you remember when TUFF was using real NFL player names occasionally, taking some 3rd or 4th stringers and using them for TUFF? Remember when BBB introduced off-the-field incidents and Mao Tosi died and there was a "story" about it basically in all the TUFF news? Remember when his family contacted Ben about it because they were understandably confused and horrified?

Man, the internet in its infancy was so crazy.
Title: Re: Do You Remember.....
Post by: TheNorm on September 20, 2018, 10:18:06 AM
LOL wow, I'd totally forgotten about that.
Title: Re: Do You Remember.....
Post by: Crewe on September 20, 2018, 12:08:57 PM
Remember when we used to play the mafia game here? Was it the mafia...? Not sure, but a scene would be described and you had to wildly throw out suppositions and accusations in order to sway your vigilantes to lynch a character until one was left who would then decree if they were who everyone thought they were.
Fun times
Title: Re: Do You Remember.....
Post by: BojackHorsefella on September 20, 2018, 12:52:39 PM
We did Mafia and we MIGHT have done werewolf too once or twice? That's when my then wife was still on the boards. We may have ruined it.
Title: Re: Do You Remember.....
Post by: Crewe on September 20, 2018, 02:11:18 PM
haha, no I remember her being here for the mafia and it was fine as far as I recall. Werewolf I dont remember, so maybe I just didnt participate?
Title: Re: Do You Remember.....
Post by: Crewe on January 14, 2019, 05:07:14 PM
Remember when you had to actually know where the hell you were going? It was second nature to be able to spot an address on just about any house or building. I think back to when I delivered pizza for two years. I was fast as hell because I knew the roads, had my hood wired and made a killing.
I still chuckle when people are late and say, "GPS took me the wrong way" geez, you woulda never made it.

 :D
Title: Re: Do You Remember.....
Post by: BojackHorsefella on January 14, 2019, 05:19:31 PM
Remember when you had to actually know where the hell you were going? It was second nature to be able to spot an address on just about any house or building. I think back to when I delivered pizza for two years. I was fast as hell because I knew the roads, had my hood wired and made a killing.
I still chuckle when people are late and say, "GPS took me the wrong way" geez, you woulda never made it.

 :D

I briefly got to drive without GPS and it was awful. I was a terrible navigator.

My dad, however, on road trips and stuff, was great. Even if he did manage to take a wrong turn, he was great at finding his way back.
Title: Re: Do You Remember.....
Post by: Crewe on January 16, 2019, 02:56:16 PM
lol
I mention this to people my age and they get that recollection like, oh yea, there was a day when we didn't have navigation. It's become such a crutch to us all now. Just an interesting observation
Title: Re: Do You Remember.....
Post by: TheNorm on February 10, 2019, 11:30:10 AM
So the Captain Marvel website is a throwback to the 90s.

https://www.marvel.com/captainmarvel

Reason I post it here is because I had shown it to a coworker who happens to be 24. Her response: "this is neat, but what's with the dancing baby thing...and what's geocities since you mentioned it?"

This might legit be the first time I thought: you f'ing kids.
Title: Re: Do You Remember.....
Post by: Crewe on February 10, 2019, 06:19:32 PM
lol that's pretty cool.
That danged ole internet man....
Title: Re: Do You Remember.....
Post by: BojackHorsefella on March 13, 2019, 11:46:37 AM
Was hanging out with some co-workers after work, younger fellas. One of the guys ordered some green drink, I made a joke asking if it was Ecto-Cooler, and just got met by completely blank stares.

These young punks don't know nothing.
Title: Re: Do You Remember.....
Post by: Crewe on March 13, 2019, 12:34:50 PM
lol I get so baffled when I hear a youngster state something he just "learned" that is really common knowledge. Everyone he is talking to is acting like he discovered fire and Im thinking, everyone but you realizes this is common knowledge. I mean, its like not knowing who the Axis and Allied powers were in WWII.
Title: Re: Do You Remember.....
Post by: BojackHorsefella on March 13, 2019, 02:46:37 PM
I mean, its like not knowing who the Axis and Allied powers were in WWII.


Well, there sure have been a lot of people walking around the US openly wearing Nazi symbols, so..................
Title: Re: Do You Remember.....
Post by: Crewe on March 13, 2019, 02:48:45 PM
I mean, its like not knowing who the Axis and Allied powers were in WWII.


Well, there sure have been a lot of people walking around the US openly wearing Nazi symbols, so..................

And I'd still bet gold they couldn't answer the question other than the obvious participant they hold so dear
Title: Re: Do You Remember.....
Post by: Rigg44 on March 13, 2019, 03:21:11 PM
I mean, its like not knowing who the Axis and Allied powers were in WWII.


Well, there sure have been a lot of people walking around the US openly wearing Nazi symbols, so..................

I think a lot is a bit of a strong statement.  Last time I saw a Nazi symbol was is a movie, tv or a museum.
Title: Re: Do You Remember.....
Post by: BojackHorsefella on March 13, 2019, 04:07:22 PM
Need to check out some photos from any of those Proud Boy rallies. Or, you know, Charlottesville.

To be fair, ONE Nazi insignia being worn in public is already a lot in the US, and yet....
Title: Re: Do You Remember.....
Post by: Rigg44 on March 13, 2019, 04:15:27 PM
Need to check out some photos from any of those Proud Boy rallies. Or, you know, Charlottesville.

To be fair, ONE Nazi insignia being worn in public is already a lot in the US, and yet....

In the public eye doesn't make it a lot.  A lot to me would be a daily occurrence not some publicity stunt or protest by some chuckleheads.  You make it sound like its a socially accepted or even tolerated thing on a mass level which it is not.  To infer otherwise is absurd.   
Title: Re: Do You Remember.....
Post by: BojackHorsefella on March 13, 2019, 04:37:10 PM
I mean, agree to disagree, but as a Jewish person living in America, seeing people marching in Charlottesville with Nazi symbols on their clothes and "shields," and then a president who says "both sides" had bad people, yeah, again, even 1 in the public eye is far too many.

And you keep saying chuckleheads as if domestic attacks by white supremacist groups haven't been on the rise since 2016. We can bury our head in the sand if we so desire, but I don't think we'll like where that ends up.
Title: Re: Do You Remember.....
Post by: Rigg44 on March 13, 2019, 05:20:33 PM
I mean, agree to disagree, but as a Jewish person living in America, seeing people marching in Charlottesville with Nazi symbols on their clothes and "shields," and then a president who says "both sides" had bad people, yeah, again, even 1 in the public eye is far too many.

And you keep saying chuckleheads as if domestic attacks by white supremacist groups haven't been on the rise since 2016. We can bury our head in the sand if we so desire, but I don't think we'll like where that ends up.

There is no disagreement that its wrong the disagreement is over it's your implications of overwhelming presence.  Seeing these symbols in news footage being worn by idiots or chuckleheads (I don't know how you found that offensive) is the price of living in a society with free speech.  The laws and 99% of the country are not in favor of the wearing of or the implication behind the wearing of these symbols.  To think otherwise is absurd. It would be like thinking that just because there is one very public antisemite within the Democratic Party spewing vile things on a regular basis that all Democrats or a majority are antisemites.  We, of course, no this is not true because there are Jewish members of the Democratic party and a large number of Jewish people in the party as a whole.   To think there are no neo-nazi idiots in the US is just as childish but they are not the mainstream or even taken seriously by anyone of any reasonable intelligence.   
Title: Re: Do You Remember.....
Post by: Crewe on March 13, 2019, 05:31:19 PM
I mean, agree to disagree, but as a Jewish person living in America, seeing people marching in Charlottesville with Nazi symbols on their clothes and "shields," and then a president who says "both sides" had bad people, yeah, again, even 1 in the public eye is far too many.

And you keep saying chuckleheads as if domestic attacks by white supremacist groups haven't been on the rise since 2016. We can bury our head in the sand if we so desire, but I don't think we'll like where that ends up.

There is no disagreement that its wrong the disagreement is over it's your implications of overwhelming presence.  Seeing these symbols in news footage being worn by idiots or chuckleheads (I don't know how you found that offensive) is the price of living in a society with free speech.  The laws and 99% of the country are not in favor of the wearing of or the implication behind the wearing of these symbols.  To think otherwise is absurd. It would be like thinking that just because there is one very public antisemite within the Democratic Party spewing vile things on a regular basis that all Democrats or a majority are antisemites.  We, of course, no this is not true because there are Jewish members of the Democratic party and a large number of Jewish people in the party as a whole.   To think there are no neo-nazi idiots in the US is just as childish but they are not the mainstream or even taken seriously by anyone of any reasonable intelligence.   

drive through East Texas...
Title: Re: Do You Remember.....
Post by: BojackHorsefella on March 13, 2019, 06:23:56 PM
So, real fast, Omar is not an anti-semite. Real easy this one: criticizing a lobbying group whose entire purpose of existing is to spend money to influence our government in foreign affairs is not anti-Semitic, and criticizing Israel, especially while Netanyahu continues to commit atrocities and corrupting the Israeli government at the same time is not anti-Semitic, it's truth.

Meanwhile, again, say what you want about "a few chuckleheads," these people were marching, in Charlottesville, saying "Jews will not replace us," and the president of the US said "this is fine."

Steve King, in the GOP, literally called himself a "white nationalist," and has been shown in the past week (amongst other GOP members) to have had white supremacists, namely Proud Boys, on his payroll. So, yeah, don't play that game with me.
Title: Re: Do You Remember.....
Post by: Rigg44 on March 14, 2019, 11:37:51 AM
I mean, agree to disagree, but as a Jewish person living in America, seeing people marching in Charlottesville with Nazi symbols on their clothes and "shields," and then a president who says "both sides" had bad people, yeah, again, even 1 in the public eye is far too many.

And you keep saying chuckleheads as if domestic attacks by white supremacist groups haven't been on the rise since 2016. We can bury our head in the sand if we so desire, but I don't think we'll like where that ends up.

There is no disagreement that its wrong the disagreement is over it's your implications of overwhelming presence.  Seeing these symbols in news footage being worn by idiots or chuckleheads (I don't know how you found that offensive) is the price of living in a society with free speech.  The laws and 99% of the country are not in favor of the wearing of or the implication behind the wearing of these symbols.  To think otherwise is absurd. It would be like thinking that just because there is one very public antisemite within the Democratic Party spewing vile things on a regular basis that all Democrats or a majority are antisemites.  We, of course, no this is not true because there are Jewish members of the Democratic party and a large number of Jewish people in the party as a whole.   To think there are no neo-nazi idiots in the US is just as childish but they are not the mainstream or even taken seriously by anyone of any reasonable intelligence.   

drive through East Texas...

Well, again one section of any region is not mainstream.  Mainstream would be the majority of the country agreeing with or accepting the behavior as "normal"  and that is not the case.  Also I have been through east Texas a lot in the past and never saw Nazi symbols displayed.
Title: Re: Do You Remember.....
Post by: Rigg44 on March 14, 2019, 11:57:25 AM
So, real fast, Omar is not an anti-semite. Real easy this one: criticizing a lobbying group whose entire purpose of existing is to spend money to influence our government in foreign affairs is not anti-Semitic, and criticizing Israel, especially while Netanyahu continues to commit atrocities and corrupting the Israeli government at the same time is not anti-Semitic, it's truth.

Meanwhile, again, say what you want about "a few chuckleheads," these people were marching, in Charlottesville, saying "Jews will not replace us," and the president of the US said "this is fine."

Steve King, in the GOP, literally called himself a "white nationalist," and has been shown in the past week (amongst other GOP members) to have had white supremacists, namely Proud Boys, on his payroll. So, yeah, don't play that game with me.

Ohmar is an Anti Semit, and to defend her invalidates your arguments against Trump. You can't have it both ways you have to call out bad actors no matter their party.  As far as  Charlottesville, nothing you have said proves any form of mainstream acceptance.  A group marching for the wrong reasons doesn't make something mainstream. They are idiots. You continue to mistake me for a Trump supporter.  As I have said in the past I am no fan of Trump and in fact a registered independent.  I find myself having to defend the idiot because no one wants to be objective anymore.  The talking points from both parties are swallowed whole are regurgitated like gospel, it's just sad.  I did not like everything Obama did and said it.  I also praised him when he did something good.  Its called being objective.  Trump is not an answer to the question of how this is mainstream.  The majority of Americans are not Nazis, nor are they racists.   
Title: Re: Do You Remember.....
Post by: BojackHorsefella on March 14, 2019, 12:14:14 PM
We're going to have to go back to agreeing to disagree, then. The dangers of entertaining these people, constantly giving them platforms (Alex Jones, Tucker Carlson, really all of Fox News) has taken it's toll after years and years and years. You say the majority of America is not racist, yet they voted for a truly racist president who started his campaign by calling Mexicans rapists and drug dealers, instituting an extremely racist travel ban against Muslim countries (and not even the countries that have actual ties to terrorism), and seems to only insult people's IQs if they're black.

You're ignoring a very real danger to this country. Trump is what he is, he always has been. He's not a complex person, he's just a bigoted idiot that caught the wave of national populism, which is growing across the globe (hey there Bolsonaro) and rode it right into the White House. Now, we have an intemperate, whiny man-child on the Supreme Court in Brett Kavanaugh, but worse is the federal judges that Trump has been approving left and right up and down the federal courts, and unlike his campaign promises, he['s not nominating "the best and the brightest," he nominates those whose views align with him (again, Kavanaugh). Not too mention the grift of the whole thing.

Point is, this "minority" you talk about, elevated Trump. Sure, not everyone is racist, but plenty of people were willing to look at Trump's blatant racism and go "that's acceptable to me," because they thought he was, I dunno, I guess actually going to make America great again.

You yourself don't have to be a Trump supporter, and I don't believe I called you one, to make my points valid. You're playing the "they're all the same game," which is how we got here in the first place. We keep seeing the company that Trump keeps pleading guilty and heading to prison, and yet his supporters, even if you don't consider yourself one, continue to defend him. Fox News continues to defend him, and those who have truly drank the Kool-Aid, continue to defend them.

If you don't want to be convinced that white supremacy in 2019 is the greatest threat to American democracy right now, then I don't know what to tell you. But I do know, in those tapes that just released from Tucker Carlson's radio call-ins, he explicitly said that America needed a racist President. There are many Fox News viewers who, I'm sure, agreed with those sentiments upon hearing them when they were released, and were especially happy since they got their wish.

Now, you want to continue to engage in the bad faith arguments and ignoring the actual issues here, then feel free to go ahead. But just going "it's alright" isn't going to fix anything, and is the exact kind of attitude so many people had in 2016 to lead us to where we are today: divided, with our government in absolute shambles (the State Department is still a ghost town, and we are missing ambassadors to many, many countries, and why the fuck are Jared and Ivanka handling ANY foreign relations?)

You don't have to be a Trump supporter to defend him, but you do have to be willing to overlook a LOT OF BAD STUFF that he has done, is doing, and likely will do (just look at Cohen's "it will not be a peaceful transition of power" if Trump wins).

Hell, you want to get past the racism stuff, how about just the journalism stuff? Anytime a Muslim man commits a crime in this country, everyone screams "WHERE WAS HE RADICALIZED" or "WHY WON'T HIS COMMUNITY POLICE HIM?!" Meanwhile, we have a president everyday that calls journalists the enemy of the people and is saying awful, very out of the ordinary things about the opposition people, and then we get these fucking crazies who are RADICALIZED by his words that send bombs to Democrats and CNN or shoot up newspapers. It's really not that hard to see the correlation.

Or, hell, even that fucking LIEUTENANT in the military who was planning on carrying out a devastating domestic terror attack. Radicalization. We have a president who radicalizes domestic terrorists. So, no, don't tell me he's the same as any other president.

I don't really want to dignify you, telling me, a Jewish man, that Omar is an anti-semite. I've made my statement, you want to continue to take the bad faith argument. Meanwhile, again, you're talking about a Trump, the leader of a GOP party who constantly paints George Soros, a Jewish man, as some "money monster" who's ruining American politics (but the Koch brothers are fine, of course). So, no, you can get out of here with THAT BS. Omar wasn't saying anything wrong, again, criticizing a lobbying group whose entire purpose of existing is to influence foreign policy via financial contributions is NOT ANTI-SEMITISM, even if that country was Israel. Criticizing Israel's war crimes against Palestinians IS NOT ANTI-SEMITISM. Criticizing Netanyahu, a corrupt and horrifying leader, is NOT ANTI-SEMITISM.

But, again, the rampant anti-semitism displayed across the right (not too mention the Islamophobia) is just whatever, apparently. No sir. You really need to check yourself.
Title: Re: Do You Remember.....
Post by: Crewe on March 14, 2019, 12:22:21 PM
I mean, agree to disagree, but as a Jewish person living in America, seeing people marching in Charlottesville with Nazi symbols on their clothes and "shields," and then a president who says "both sides" had bad people, yeah, again, even 1 in the public eye is far too many.

And you keep saying chuckleheads as if domestic attacks by white supremacist groups haven't been on the rise since 2016. We can bury our head in the sand if we so desire, but I don't think we'll like where that ends up.

There is no disagreement that its wrong the disagreement is over it's your implications of overwhelming presence.  Seeing these symbols in news footage being worn by idiots or chuckleheads (I don't know how you found that offensive) is the price of living in a society with free speech.  The laws and 99% of the country are not in favor of the wearing of or the implication behind the wearing of these symbols.  To think otherwise is absurd. It would be like thinking that just because there is one very public antisemite within the Democratic Party spewing vile things on a regular basis that all Democrats or a majority are antisemites.  We, of course, no this is not true because there are Jewish members of the Democratic party and a large number of Jewish people in the party as a whole.   To think there are no neo-nazi idiots in the US is just as childish but they are not the mainstream or even taken seriously by anyone of any reasonable intelligence.   

drive through East Texas...

Well, again one section of any region is not mainstream.  Mainstream would be the majority of the country agreeing with or accepting the behavior as "normal"  and that is not the case.  Also I have been through east Texas a lot in the past and never saw Nazi symbols displayed.

Then by your definition, our President's behavior is not normal. And his views are well documented and you can fill in the blanks from there.

I was siding with you although I see it as more prevalent than you do, but not everywhere.
As for my east Texas comment, it was sort of in jest, in the sense that idling down I-10 is not going to seem out of place but you get off the interstate and you'll see what I mean or else your eyes are closed.

*edit - I just read buc's post and I certainly agree which sounds odd when I stated above that I also agree with rigg that it wasn't "everywhere."
I believe that in the sense that a majority of Americans are not racists. Especially the younger gens, however, thats not to say hate hasn't had a significant resurgence under our current political climate. Certainly enough to elect a President.

Title: Re: Do You Remember.....
Post by: Rigg44 on March 14, 2019, 12:49:58 PM
We're going to have to go back to agreeing to disagree, then. The dangers of entertaining these people, constantly giving them platforms (Alex Jones, Tucker Carlson, really all of Fox News) has taken it's toll after years and years and years. You say the majority of America is not racist, yet they voted for a truly racist president who started his campaign by calling Mexicans rapists and drug dealers, instituting an extremely racist travel ban against Muslim countries (and not even the countries that have actual ties to terrorism), and seems to only insult people's IQs if they're black.

You're ignoring a very real danger to this country. Trump is what he is, he always has been. He's not a complex person, he's just a bigoted idiot that caught the wave of national populism, which is growing across the globe (hey there Bolsonaro) and rode it right into the White House. Now, we have an intemperate, whiny man-child on the Supreme Court in Brett Kavanaugh, but worse is the federal judges that Trump has been approving left and right up and down the federal courts, and unlike his campaign promises, he['s not nominating "the best and the brightest," he nominates those whose views align with him (again, Kavanaugh). Not too mention the grift of the whole thing.

Point is, this "minority" you talk about, elevated Trump. Sure, not everyone is racist, but plenty of people were willing to look at Trump's blatant racism and go "that's acceptable to me," because they thought he was, I dunno, I guess actually going to make America great again.

You yourself don't have to be a Trump supporter, and I don't believe I called you one, to make my points valid. You're playing the "they're all the same game," which is how we got here in the first place. We keep seeing the company that Trump keeps pleading guilty and heading to prison, and yet his supporters, even if you don't consider yourself one, continue to defend him. Fox News continues to defend him, and those who have truly drank the Kool-Aid, continue to defend them.

If you don't want to be convinced that white supremacy in 2019 is the greatest threat to American democracy right now, then I don't know what to tell you. But I do know, in those tapes that just released from Tucker Carlson's radio call-ins, he explicitly said that America needed a racist President. There are many Fox News viewers who, I'm sure, agreed with those sentiments upon hearing them when they were released, and were especially happy since they got their wish.

Now, you want to continue to engage in the bad faith arguments and ignoring the actual issues here, then feel free to go ahead. But just going "it's alright" isn't going to fix anything, and is the exact kind of attitude so many people had in 2016 to lead us to where we are today: divided, with our government in absolute shambles (the State Department is still a ghost town, and we are missing ambassadors to many, many countries, and why the fuck are Jared and Ivanka handling ANY foreign relations?)

You don't have to be a Trump supporter to defend him, but you do have to be willing to overlook a LOT OF BAD STUFF that he has done, is doing, and likely will do (just look at Cohen's "it will not be a peaceful transition of power" if Trump wins).

Hell, you want to get past the racism stuff, how about just the journalism stuff? Anytime a Muslim man commits a crime in this country, everyone screams "WHERE WAS HE RADICALIZED" or "WHY WON'T HIS COMMUNITY POLICE HIM?!" Meanwhile, we have a president everyday that calls journalists the enemy of the people and is saying awful, very out of the ordinary things about the opposition people, and then we get these fucking crazies who are RADICALIZED by his words that send bombs to Democrats and CNN or shoot up newspapers. It's really not that hard to see the correlation.

Or, hell, even that fucking LIEUTENANT in the military who was planning on carrying out a devastating domestic terror attack. Radicalization. We have a president who radicalizes domestic terrorists. So, no, don't tell me he's the same as any other president.

I don't really want to dignify you, telling me, a Jewish man, that Omar is an anti-semite. I've made my statement, you want to continue to take the bad faith argument. Meanwhile, again, you're talking about a Trump, the leader of a GOP party who constantly paints George Soros, a Jewish man, as some "money monster" who's ruining American politics (but the Koch brothers are fine, of course). So, no, you can get out of here with THAT BS. Omar wasn't saying anything wrong, again, criticizing a lobbying group whose entire purpose of existing is to influence foreign policy via financial contributions is NOT ANTI-SEMITISM, even if that country was Israel. Criticizing Israel's war crimes against Palestinians IS NOT ANTI-SEMITISM. Criticizing Netanyahu, a corrupt and horrifying leader, is NOT ANTI-SEMITISM.

But, again, the rampant anti-semitism displayed across the right (not too mention the Islamophobia) is just whatever, apparently. No sir. You really need to check yourself.

You have just displayed the true reason this country is in trouble,  An inability to have a rational conversation across party lines.  Your being of Jewish background gives you a different perspective but it does not give you the unilateral power to determine what is or is not Anti-Semitic. Plenty of Jewish leaders on the other side disagree with your assessment of her but I am sure their motivation is political while yours is pure as the driven snow.  Also, you say that Trump's election proves the overwhelming racism in this country, then explain Obama's election. Are we to believe that all these racist people suddenly forgot and pulled the wrong lever?  To think that racism is worse now than it was in the 60's, 50's or hell even the 80's is just plain ignorant.  No one is being routinely shot, hung, kept from owning property, or being overtly kept "down" on a mass scale. If you refuse to see that the needle has moved further and further towards equality over the years and decades then it is you in need of a reality check.  Racism exists but it is limited to small groups or hidden individuals.  It will always be with us but it no longer rules us. I was avoiding being rude but you seem to not have a problem with it so.  Buc,  you are obviously overly emotional about these things and unable to divorce yourself from the conversation to have a logical, productive conversation. You obviously live and a CNN/ MSNBC echo chamber devoid of any two-sided conversation. I will allow you to have your echo chamber so your beliefs can be reinforced and never challenged because who needs the diversity of thought?  After all, I am a conservative white male so by your thought process I am probably just a racist, homophobe who loves me some guns and my bible.   
Title: Re: Do You Remember.....
Post by: Rigg44 on March 14, 2019, 12:56:05 PM
I mean, agree to disagree, but as a Jewish person living in America, seeing people marching in Charlottesville with Nazi symbols on their clothes and "shields," and then a president who says "both sides" had bad people, yeah, again, even 1 in the public eye is far too many.

And you keep saying chuckleheads as if domestic attacks by white supremacist groups haven't been on the rise since 2016. We can bury our head in the sand if we so desire, but I don't think we'll like where that ends up.

There is no disagreement that its wrong the disagreement is over it's your implications of overwhelming presence.  Seeing these symbols in news footage being worn by idiots or chuckleheads (I don't know how you found that offensive) is the price of living in a society with free speech.  The laws and 99% of the country are not in favor of the wearing of or the implication behind the wearing of these symbols.  To think otherwise is absurd. It would be like thinking that just because there is one very public antisemite within the Democratic Party spewing vile things on a regular basis that all Democrats or a majority are antisemites.  We, of course, no this is not true because there are Jewish members of the Democratic party and a large number of Jewish people in the party as a whole.   To think there are no neo-nazi idiots in the US is just as childish but they are not the mainstream or even taken seriously by anyone of any reasonable intelligence.   

drive through East Texas...

Well, again one section of any region is not mainstream.  Mainstream would be the majority of the country agreeing with or accepting the behavior as "normal"  and that is not the case.  Also I have been through east Texas a lot in the past and never saw Nazi symbols displayed.

Then by your definition, our President's behavior is not normal. And his views are well documented and you can fill in the blanks from there.

I was siding with you although I see it as more prevalent than you do, but not everywhere.
As for my east Texas comment, it was sort of in jest, in the sense that idling down I-10 is not going to seem out of place but you get off the interstate and you'll see what I mean or else your eyes are closed.

*edit - I just read buc's post and I certainly agree which sounds odd when I stated above that I also agree with rigg that it wasn't "everywhere."
I believe that in the sense that a majority of Americans are not racists. Especially the younger gens, however, thats not to say hate hasn't had a significant resurgence under our current political climate. Certainly enough to elect a President.

Crewe, I will concede you probably know east Texas better than I do.  However, Racism is not overwhelmingly accepted in the country.  I think we agree on that.  As far as a resurgence I think the fanning of what were embers by both sides has caused a resurgence among some idiotic Chucklheads.  I don't want to re litigate the president's words. He can speak for himself.  I don't agree with your interpretation of everything he has said but would agree that he is not a great human being.   
Title: Re: Do You Remember.....
Post by: BojackHorsefella on March 14, 2019, 01:11:31 PM
No one is being routinely shot, hung, kept from owning property, or being overtly kept "down" on a mass scale. If you refuse to see that the needle has moved further and further towards equality over the years and decades then it is you in need of a reality check.  Racism exists but it is limited to small groups or hidden individuals.  It will always be with us but it no longer rules us. I was avoiding being rude but you seem to not have a problem with it so. 

So, firstly, you still have yet to give any definitive proof that Omar is anti-semtiic, so, keep telling me I'm the one being emotional.

No one is being kept down? Did you not see how an oil company was given domain over Native Americans at Standing Rock, who were attacked on THEIR land by our own police force? Have you not seen the BLM protests as continuously, we have seen police forces abuse their force against black men and black children (TAMIR RICE?!) and face 0 consequences for it.

Have you not seen the wealth inequality in this country that DISPROPORTIONATELY affects minorities?

Have you not seen Flint, Michigan, WHICH STILL DOES NOT HAVE CLEAN WATER and yet nobody in our government seems to care?

Have you not seen how North Carolina GOP just tried to rob an election using voter fraud tactics aimed against minorities?

Have you not seen how GEORGIA used similar tactics and got away with it, while Brian Kemp had a conflict of interest running for Governor while secretary of state?

Have you not seen how multiple states have attempted to institute voter ID laws which have beenproven as racially biased?

Gerrymandering? Asset forfeiture that indescriminately targets minorities?

We have children dying in cages, separated, without reason, from their parents who were deported, some adopted out with no hope of being reunited because our government couldn't bother to keep track of everything it was doing.

Racism is institutional, sir, and it is enforced at the county, state and national levels in a great degree, and that is the point. If you want to blind yourself to the injustices that have been created, not by the people, but by the political, educational, and economic systems of this country, that is YOUR issue. You say I've been rude, I haven't. I have leveled no insults or ad hominem attacks on you. But, if what I'm engaging in is "emotional," what you're engaging in is simply willful ignorance to the truth.

There are frequent injustices committed by the institutions that run this country, daily, against minorities, against women. So, sure, we don't separate drinking fountains or bathrooms these days, great. No, we've found methods now that aren't in the open, but are equally impacting, and we elected a president who's further seen to that.

If racism is a minority thing, then by god the majority has failed to defend against it, which makes them complicit.
Title: Re: Do You Remember.....
Post by: Crewe on March 14, 2019, 03:41:19 PM
I mean, agree to disagree, but as a Jewish person living in America, seeing people marching in Charlottesville with Nazi symbols on their clothes and "shields," and then a president who says "both sides" had bad people, yeah, again, even 1 in the public eye is far too many.

And you keep saying chuckleheads as if domestic attacks by white supremacist groups haven't been on the rise since 2016. We can bury our head in the sand if we so desire, but I don't think we'll like where that ends up.

There is no disagreement that its wrong the disagreement is over it's your implications of overwhelming presence.  Seeing these symbols in news footage being worn by idiots or chuckleheads (I don't know how you found that offensive) is the price of living in a society with free speech.  The laws and 99% of the country are not in favor of the wearing of or the implication behind the wearing of these symbols.  To think otherwise is absurd. It would be like thinking that just because there is one very public antisemite within the Democratic Party spewing vile things on a regular basis that all Democrats or a majority are antisemites.  We, of course, no this is not true because there are Jewish members of the Democratic party and a large number of Jewish people in the party as a whole.   To think there are no neo-nazi idiots in the US is just as childish but they are not the mainstream or even taken seriously by anyone of any reasonable intelligence.   

drive through East Texas...

Well, again one section of any region is not mainstream.  Mainstream would be the majority of the country agreeing with or accepting the behavior as "normal"  and that is not the case.  Also I have been through east Texas a lot in the past and never saw Nazi symbols displayed.

Then by your definition, our President's behavior is not normal. And his views are well documented and you can fill in the blanks from there.

I was siding with you although I see it as more prevalent than you do, but not everywhere.
As for my east Texas comment, it was sort of in jest, in the sense that idling down I-10 is not going to seem out of place but you get off the interstate and you'll see what I mean or else your eyes are closed.

*edit - I just read buc's post and I certainly agree which sounds odd when I stated above that I also agree with rigg that it wasn't "everywhere."
I believe that in the sense that a majority of Americans are not racists. Especially the younger gens, however, thats not to say hate hasn't had a significant resurgence under our current political climate. Certainly enough to elect a President.

Crewe, I will concede you probably know east Texas better than I do.  However, Racism is not overwhelmingly accepted in the country.  I think we agree on thatAs far as a resurgence I think the fanning of what were embers by both sides has caused a resurgence among some idiotic Chucklheads.  I don't want to re litigate the president's words. He can speak for himself. I don't agree with your interpretation of everything he has said but would agree that he is not a great human being.

We do

But I don't agree with the second sentence. I think fewer individuals are racist but its still prevalent in media, business and folks who mold society.

Trump is a bona fide clown.
Title: Re: Do You Remember.....
Post by: Crewe on March 14, 2019, 03:59:45 PM
I just looked back to see what the topic actually was and to see I hijacked buc's simple observation with an Axis and Allies comment that devolved lol
Sorry man.  :D
Title: Re: Do You Remember.....
Post by: BojackHorsefella on March 14, 2019, 04:24:09 PM
I just looked back to see what the topic actually was and to see I hijacked buc's simple observation with an Axis and Allies comment that devolved lol
Sorry man.  :D


I'd love to say this is the first time an off-hand response by me escalated into, well, more, but...it isn't. :(
Title: Re: Do You Remember.....
Post by: Rigg44 on March 15, 2019, 11:29:05 AM
No one is being routinely shot, hung, kept from owning property, or being overtly kept "down" on a mass scale. If you refuse to see that the needle has moved further and further towards equality over the years and decades then it is you in need of a reality check.  Racism exists but it is limited to small groups or hidden individuals.  It will always be with us but it no longer rules us. I was avoiding being rude but you seem to not have a problem with it so. 

So, firstly, you still have yet to give any definitive proof that Omar is anti-semtiic, so, keep telling me I'm the one being emotional.

No one is being kept down? Did you not see how an oil company was given domain over Native Americans at Standing Rock, who were attacked on THEIR land by our own police force? Have you not seen the BLM protests as continuously, we have seen police forces abuse their force against black men and black children (TAMIR RICE?!) and face 0 consequences for it.

Have you not seen the wealth inequality in this country that DISPROPORTIONATELY affects minorities?

Have you not seen Flint, Michigan, WHICH STILL DOES NOT HAVE CLEAN WATER and yet nobody in our government seems to care?

Have you not seen how North Carolina GOP just tried to rob an election using voter fraud tactics aimed against minorities?

Have you not seen how GEORGIA used similar tactics and got away with it, while Brian Kemp had a conflict of interest running for Governor while secretary of state?

Have you not seen how multiple states have attempted to institute voter ID laws which have beenproven as racially biased?

Gerrymandering? Asset forfeiture that indescriminately targets minorities?

We have children dying in cages, separated, without reason, from their parents who were deported, some adopted out with no hope of being reunited because our government couldn't bother to keep track of everything it was doing.

Racism is institutional, sir, and it is enforced at the county, state and national levels in a great degree, and that is the point. If you want to blind yourself to the injustices that have been created, not by the people, but by the political, educational, and economic systems of this country, that is YOUR issue. You say I've been rude, I haven't. I have leveled no insults or ad hominem attacks on you. But, if what I'm engaging in is "emotional," what you're engaging in is simply willful ignorance to the truth.

There are frequent injustices committed by the institutions that run this country, daily, against minorities, against women. So, sure, we don't separate drinking fountains or bathrooms these days, great. No, we've found methods now that aren't in the open, but are equally impacting, and we elected a president who's further seen to that.

If racism is a minority thing, then by god the majority has failed to defend against it, which makes them complicit.

I will not list Omar's tweets that I and others find to be Anti Semitic because you will just look at them and say they are not, so there is no point.  However is it not the accepted standard among liberals and the Dems that if one person finds it offensive then it is?    If you can not see the rudeness in your tenor and tone then that is on YOU as you are fond of saying.  I did not intend to imply that there is no one ever held back or kept down by racism.  There are of course people who achieve power that should not and therefore there are going to be individuals in the world that suffer the effects of racism at their hands.  That is true today and it will be true tomorrow.  However, it is you that is delusional if you believe it to be on the same level of the past or even, laughably, worse than it was.  I don't think any minority would want to change places with someone of their background from the 60's or 50's.  There is a more ethnically diverse congress now than there ever has been (http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/01/24/115th-congress-sets-new-high-for-racial-ethnic-diversity/). College enrollment rates for minorities are increasing (https://nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/pdf/coe_cpb.pdf).  Minorities are also achieving the degree sought at a higher rate than ever, still trailing their white counterparts but not by the large gap it once was (http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2016/06/27/1-demographic-trends-and-economic-well-being/st_2016-06-27_race-inequality-ch1-02/).  Not to mention record low unemployment numbers for all minorities currently.  All of these point to what I have been saying.  There is no systemic racism.  If there were these things would not be true.  Just as the election of Obama negates the theory that Trump's election proves systemic racism.  millions of the same people that elected Obama turned around and voted for Trump.  So if there is some grand conspiracy to keep minorities down, whoever is running is very bad at their job. 

As far as wealth distribution, I don't see it is a racial matter.  It is true that some struggle because they start less entitled than others.  That, however, is not a race issue its a circumstance issue.  I spent most of my life as poor white trailer trash. Five kids one bedroom in a single wide trailer.  I worked three jobs and busted my ass to change my fortune.  That being said I believe in ladders to success, programs to assist kids that start out behind the eightball to achieve their dreams.  I don't support punishing those that have already achieved theirs already or trying to guarantee outcomes. I am always for making sure everyone has equal access to an opportunity to success.   
Title: Re: Do You Remember.....
Post by: BojackHorsefella on March 15, 2019, 11:42:08 AM
It's amazing how you contradict yourself multiple times in there.


I'd love to hear, by the way, if your stance regarding white extremism has changed, considering recent events, or if you still think they're just a minority and not a threat. I'm sure you think it's fine, though.

Quite frankly, Rigg, I find your responses in this thread revealing, as I have said, of a willful ignorance. You say things are better than the 50s and 60s, great, that does not mean they are good, and that's a really, REALLY low bar to clear. It's like me going from getting kicked in the nuts everyday to getting kicked in the shins instead. Oh, great! Yeah, it improved, but I'm still in pain.

Also, anyone who thought the election of Obama meant the end of racism, especially how that turned out (Like, say, the guy who just created a rumor that our black president was born in Kenya and created an entire movement out of the lie becoming our very next president), is an idiot. BLM started while Obama was in office. Palin sunk McCain, and no one liked Romney. It's not that hard to understand why Obama got elected in spite of the color of his skin. Also, note that, Obama had to go to one of the very best universities, had to serve his time in government, to make it to the presidency, whereas our current president was a reality show star with 0 aptitude for law, filled with xenophobic hate and bile, and displays his ignorance on so many subjects everyday. That's racial bias in a nutshell, and that's white privilege in a nutshell, but I'm sure you also don't think that exists either.

Anyways, look, I said agree to disagree before ,you didn't take it, but I'm ending this now, because this is going nowhere on either side, and if you don't want to accept reality, that's a you problem. People are dying every day because of this shit, and we can continue to ignore it and be complicit because we don't want to feel like we're the bad guys, or we can address it. You've chosen what you prefer.
Title: Re: Do You Remember.....
Post by: Rigg44 on March 15, 2019, 12:22:07 PM
It's amazing how you contradict yourself multiple times in there.


I'd love to hear, by the way, if your stance regarding white extremism has changed, considering recent events, or if you still think they're just a minority and not a threat. I'm sure you think it's fine, though.

Quite frankly, Rigg, I find your responses in this thread revealing, as I have said, of a willful ignorance. You say things are better than the 50s and 60s, great, that does not mean they are good, and that's a really, REALLY low bar to clear. It's like me going from getting kicked in the nuts everyday to getting kicked in the shins instead. Oh, great! Yeah, it improved, but I'm still in pain.

Also, anyone who thought the election of Obama meant the end of racism, especially how that turned out (Like, say, the guy who just created a rumor that our black president was born in Kenya and created an entire movement out of the lie becoming our very next president), is an idiot. BLM started while Obama was in office. Palin sunk McCain, and no one liked Romney. It's not that hard to understand why Obama got elected in spite of the color of his skin. Also, note that, Obama had to go to one of the very best universities, had to serve his time in government, to make it to the presidency, whereas our current president was a reality show star with 0 aptitude for law, filled with xenophobic hate and bile, and displays his ignorance on so many subjects everyday. That's racial bias in a nutshell, and that's white privilege in a nutshell, but I'm sure you also don't think that exists either.

Anyways, look, I said agree to disagree before ,you didn't take it, but I'm ending this now, because this is going nowhere on either side, and if you don't want to accept reality, that's a you problem. People are dying every day because of this shit, and we can continue to ignore it and be complicit because we don't want to feel like we're the bad guys, or we can address it. You've chosen what you prefer.

LOL ok.  What exactly did you find illuminating?  I never contradicted myself but to each their own.  We can agree to disagree that's fine but the numbers are on my side.  I only brought up the 50 and 60's because you speak as if it is worse now that it has ever been, which is absurd.  As I showed minorities are succeeding now more than ever so like I said those Illuminati racist must be horrible at their jobs.  And there is absolutely no way that a true Racist would have voted for Obama so there is no plausible scenario that supports that theory.   
Title: Re: Do You Remember.....
Post by: Crewe on March 18, 2019, 12:50:09 AM
Not for nothing but ran across this today. Interesting read

https://www.npr.org/2019/03/16/704137555/former-neo-nazi-white-supremacy-is-certainly-not-a-fringe-movement
Title: Re: Do You Remember.....
Post by: BojackHorsefella on March 18, 2019, 08:48:23 AM
Not for nothing but ran across this today. Interesting read

https://www.npr.org/2019/03/16/704137555/former-neo-nazi-white-supremacy-is-certainly-not-a-fringe-movement

I'll raise you:

https://splinternews.com/seven-current-u-s-military-members-outed-as-having-tie-1833364932

https://www.theroot.com/who-broke-a-record-for-extremist-killings-in-2018-spo-1831987223

https://splinternews.com/the-leaked-chats-that-show-how-a-far-right-group-is-try-1833068732

https://www.theroot.com/why-wont-congress-take-domestic-terrorism-seriously-1833381023

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/blame-abc-news-finds-17-cases-invoking-trump/story?id=58912889

https://www.adl.org/news/press-releases/adl-report-white-supremacist-murders-more-than-doubled-in-2017

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/2019/year-hate-rage-against-change

Title: Re: Do You Remember.....
Post by: Crewe on June 04, 2019, 11:49:32 PM
Do you remember when there was nothing to do at the red lights but watch people, or cycle through the radio stations two or three times?
Title: Re: Do You Remember.....
Post by: Crewe on June 25, 2019, 03:05:41 PM
Anyone old enough to remember what everyday life was like prior to cell phones?
I was videotaping homes for a Realty TV show and had to communicate with realtors all day long to schedule appointments to record their properties.
Always had change for the pay phones and always had a Key Map book plus a scheduling day planner full of all kinds of business cards and other related crapola.
Mobile phones were starting to become ubiquitous with certain professions; doctors, lawyers, realtors and the like, but I remember my first one. It was so very cool and so very expensive! I mean it was outrageous and coverage was spotty so you kinda had to know where to be to make the call, but still was pretty awesome. And then, years later, phones came out that would have a game on it...like brick town or whatever it was....but it was akin to Pong in the 70s, very generic but it was addicting, and fun.
It's interesting for me to think of how I progressed through daily life over time. Phone calls in the car overtook the radio. All my documents were in my phone alleviating the need to carry anything. Hell, now I don't even carry a wallet and haven't for years and years. Everything is in my phone.
On my job during depositions, I would have to cram all my business in to a 5 minute phone call to my scheduling department all while trying to get the bathroom and back before everyone was ready to start proceedings again.
Now? I can do anything at all business relate via my phone or laptop, all while on the record.
Pretty amazing to me when I think about it.
Title: Re: Do You Remember.....
Post by: BojackHorsefella on June 25, 2019, 04:07:37 PM
Anyone old enough to remember what everyday life was like prior to cell phones?
I was videotaping homes for a Realty TV show and had to communicate with realtors all day long to schedule appointments to record their properties.
Always had change for the pay phones and always had a Key Map book plus a scheduling day planner full of all kinds of business cards and other related crapola.
Mobile phones were starting to become ubiquitous with certain professions; doctors, lawyers, realtors and the like, but I remember my first one. It was so very cool and so very expensive! I mean it was outrageous and coverage was spotty so you kinda had to know where to be to make the call, but still was pretty awesome. And then, years later, phones came out that would have a game on it...like brick town or whatever it was....but it was akin to Pong in the 70s, very generic but it was addicting, and fun.
It's interesting for me to think of how I progressed through daily life over time. Phone calls in the car overtook the radio. All my documents were in my phone alleviating the need to carry anything. Hell, now I don't even carry a wallet and haven't for years and years. Everything is in my phone.
On my job during depositions, I would have to cram all my business in to a 5 minute phone call to my scheduling department all while trying to get the bathroom and back before everyone was ready to start proceedings again.
Now? I can do anything at all business relate via my phone or laptop, all while on the record.
Pretty amazing to me when I think about it.

I got my first cell phone in high school. Nokia, with Suncom. It had Snake on it. That was fun.


This is something I often think about. I could navigate a map if I had to, although it's obviously nowhere near as convenient as just plugging a destination into the GPS on my phone (not too mention all of the missed turns. ALL OF THE MISSED TURNS). I suppose you could have bought GPS devices back in the day too, but for the cost, it was likely just easier to use a map or, even in the internet but pre-cellphone years: printing out directions from Mapquest.

I still carry a wallet because I plain refuse to use Google Pay or any of those options. What I don't have is a checkbook, however, I do have a checkbook app and that's how I keep track of my finances (banking apps take too long to update and heaven forbid you leave a tip when you eat out, that's going to take 4-5 days to show properly).

I remember calling friends on their house phones and having to talk to their mom or dad first before talking to them ("Can LT come to the phone?"). Pretty sure kiddo just calls his friends directly now.

Videotaping, yeah. Even trips to Disney, the quickest memory is just my dad lugging this giant, over the shoulder home video camera to record our trips on VHS (still remember him getting yelled at for having the camera on during the E.T. ride at Universal). Now everyone just uses their phones, zoom length be damned.

I've been listening to local radio again lately. I'm a little tired of being able to just cater certain aspects of my life to myself (although, admittedly, I found a podcast recently about the first century of Hollywood and I love it). It's nice, keeps me abreast of some local happenings, although the music still hasn't changed very much. Still, it's nice to listen to songs I wouldn't otherwise listen to if I was just playing my own Pandora stations or something.
Title: Re: Do You Remember.....
Post by: TheNorm on June 25, 2019, 04:54:26 PM
Heh, yep-and it's funny to me to think that we got along just fine without all of it.

Didn't get my first cellphone until college, and it was the bag phone for the car lol. Then for some reason (probably because I thought it looked cool haha; a third of the time people would see I had a pager and asked if I was dealing) I turned that into an excuse to have a pager a year or two later; maybe because using a mobile phone was so damn expensive at the time it was just a way to filter out what calls needed to be handled now (almost none of them) or could wait until I got to work/home/school.
Title: Re: Do You Remember.....
Post by: Crewe on June 25, 2019, 04:56:15 PM
This is something I often think about. I could navigate a map if I had to, although it's obviously nowhere near as convenient as just plugging a destination into the GPS on my phone (not too mention all of the missed turns. ALL OF THE MISSED TURNS). I suppose you could have bought GPS devices back in the day too, but for the cost, it was likely just easier to use a map or, even in the internet but pre-cellphone years: printing out directions from Mapquest.

I had to become adept at navigation, but really most of my jobs required it throughout my life so its second nature, or was back then.
There were those nav systems like Tom Tom and all that but I never bought into it because it was way overpriced IMO. I used to giggle at people coming to a job late saying "Mapquest sent me the wrong route." In its infancy internet maps were a nightmare. I just wondered, why not look at a map?

I still carry a wallet because I plain refuse to use Google Pay or any of those options. What I don't have is a checkbook, however, I do have a checkbook app and that's how I keep track of my finances (banking apps take too long to update and heaven forbid you leave a tip when you eat out, that's going to take 4-5 days to show properly).

I agree, and wansnt clear. I have one of those slim wallet cases that holds my cards and licenses so yea, no wallet.

I remember calling friends on their house phones and having to talk to their mom or dad first before talking to them ("Can LT come to the phone?"). Pretty sure kiddo just calls his friends directly now.

I thought it was pretty common for kids to have their own phone line by then? maybe a misconception by me.

Videotaping, yeah. Even trips to Disney, the quickest memory is just my dad lugging this giant, over the shoulder home video camera to record our trips on VHS (still remember him getting yelled at for having the camera on during the E.T. ride at Universal). Now everyone just uses their phones, zoom length be damned.

Pretty much. I love the technology as a regular fella. As a videographer in potentially declining industry, I hate that the line between professional and consumer has become so blurred in the last decade or two because I need the work.

I've been listening to local radio again lately. I'm a little tired of being able to just cater certain aspects of my life to myself (although, admittedly, I found a podcast recently about the first century of Hollywood and I love it). It's nice, keeps me abreast of some local happenings, although the music still hasn't changed very much. Still, it's nice to listen to songs I wouldn't otherwise listen to if I was just playing my own Pandora stations or something.

I still can't listen to anything not selected by me. Thats just my old man thing I guess, but too much of the material sucks and Im seeking something else on a near constant basis


Title: Re: Do You Remember.....
Post by: Crewe on June 25, 2019, 04:58:00 PM
Heh, yep-and it's funny to me to think that we got along just fine without all of it.

Didn't get my first cellphone until college, and it was the bag phone for the car lol. Then for some reason (probably because I thought it looked cool haha; a third of the time people would see I had a pager and asked if I was dealing) I turned that into an excuse to have a pager a year or two later; maybe because using a mobile phone was so damn expensive at the time it was just a way to filter out what calls needed to be handled now (almost none of them) or could wait until I got to work/home/school.

10-4! We stayed on pagers for quite a while during the cell phone era. They were just reliable and since you could send text and email, it was still reasonable to have one despite appearances.
Title: Re: Do You Remember.....
Post by: BojackHorsefella on June 25, 2019, 05:05:23 PM
I thought it was pretty common for kids to have their own phone line by then? maybe a misconception by me.

Well, I guess I was unlucky, haha.

It was a more common thing for sure by the 90s, not too mention having a phone in your room. But I suppose my parents didn't want the extra expense of paying for a second phone number, so nope, my brother and I and all of my friends (and I assume his), you had to go through the parents first.
Title: Re: Do You Remember.....
Post by: TheNorm on June 26, 2019, 12:14:01 AM
Heh, I remember when call waiting was a luxury to be added on. When my parents finally added it on (back in 87, 88 maybe?), felt like the Jeffersons lol. They probably just got tired of my sister and I tying up the line. Second line was unheard of until the parents got a computer in the mid-90s and figured it was easier to have a line strictly for the dial up. Learned early on though how to properly talk on the phone, which I think those growing up now don't pick that up as a skill since texting is preferred.

I feel the same way though, I'd rather text now and I try to avoid talking on the phone at all costs.
Title: Re: Do You Remember.....
Post by: Crewe on June 26, 2019, 12:42:34 AM
Heh, I remember when call waiting was a luxury to be added on. When my parents finally added it on (back in 87, 88 maybe?), felt like the Jeffersons lol. They probably just got tired of my sister and I tying up the line. Second line was unheard of until the parents got a computer in the mid-90s and figured it was easier to have a line strictly for the dial up. Learned early on though how to properly talk on the phone, which I think those growing up now don't pick that up as a skill since texting is preferred.

I feel the same way though, I'd rather text now and I try to avoid talking on the phone at all costs.

Not once have I been able to have a meaningful conversation via text. its fine for when and where type stuff and one liners, but Ive been in trouble more than once because all tone and intent is lost in translation and the next thing you know you're arguing on the internet, basically lol
Title: Re: Do You Remember.....
Post by: Rigg44 on June 26, 2019, 05:18:57 PM
Heh, I remember when call waiting was a luxury to be added on. When my parents finally added it on (back in 87, 88 maybe?), felt like the Jeffersons lol. They probably just got tired of my sister and I tying up the line. Second line was unheard of until the parents got a computer in the mid-90s and figured it was easier to have a line strictly for the dial up. Learned early on though how to properly talk on the phone, which I think those growing up now don't pick that up as a skill since texting is preferred.

I feel the same way though, I'd rather text now and I try to avoid talking on the phone at all costs.

Not once have I been able to have a meaningful conversation via text. its fine for when and where type stuff and one liners, but Ive been in trouble more than once because all tone and intent is lost in translation and the next thing you know you're arguing on the internet, basically lol
Agree completely! Text is great for quick messages but not for "real" conversations.  Just like these boards, all intent or subtlety is lost without face to face conversation.
Title: Re: Do You Remember.....
Post by: Crewe on June 26, 2019, 08:53:05 PM
Heh, I remember when call waiting was a luxury to be added on. When my parents finally added it on (back in 87, 88 maybe?), felt like the Jeffersons lol. They probably just got tired of my sister and I tying up the line. Second line was unheard of until the parents got a computer in the mid-90s and figured it was easier to have a line strictly for the dial up. Learned early on though how to properly talk on the phone, which I think those growing up now don't pick that up as a skill since texting is preferred.

I feel the same way though, I'd rather text now and I try to avoid talking on the phone at all costs.

Not once have I been able to have a meaningful conversation via text. its fine for when and where type stuff and one liners, but Ive been in trouble more than once because all tone and intent is lost in translation and the next thing you know you're arguing on the internet, basically lol
Agree completely! Text is great for quick messages but not for "real" conversations.  Just like these boards, all intent or subtlety is lost without face to face conversation.

I think a forum like this is a few rungs up the ladder from texting or say, tweeting, but yea, I do agree. Tone, intent and the like surely get lost or inferred incorrectly, but it does lend itself to a more detailed conversation. Just my opinion though
Title: Re: Do You Remember.....
Post by: Rigg44 on June 27, 2019, 11:36:00 AM
Heh, I remember when call waiting was a luxury to be added on. When my parents finally added it on (back in 87, 88 maybe?), felt like the Jeffersons lol. They probably just got tired of my sister and I tying up the line. Second line was unheard of until the parents got a computer in the mid-90s and figured it was easier to have a line strictly for the dial up. Learned early on though how to properly talk on the phone, which I think those growing up now don't pick that up as a skill since texting is preferred.

I feel the same way though, I'd rather text now and I try to avoid talking on the phone at all costs.

Not once have I been able to have a meaningful conversation via text. its fine for when and where type stuff and one liners, but Ive been in trouble more than once because all tone and intent is lost in translation and the next thing you know you're arguing on the internet, basically lol
Agree completely! Text is great for quick messages but not for "real" conversations.  Just like these boards, all intent or subtlety is lost without face to face conversation.

I think a forum like this is a few rungs up the ladder from texting or say, tweeting, but yea, I do agree. Tone, intent and the like surely get lost or inferred incorrectly, but it does lend itself to a more detailed conversation. Just my opinion though
Agree that these forums provide more context than texting but all written word is subject to the same shortfalls, be it email, forums, text or an old fashioned written letter.  None of those can convey meaning or intent the same way the spoken word can.  If they could we would have candidates submit their thoughts in written form rather than holding debates.
Title: Re: Do You Remember.....
Post by: BojackHorsefella on June 27, 2019, 11:44:02 AM
Heh, I remember when call waiting was a luxury to be added on. When my parents finally added it on (back in 87, 88 maybe?), felt like the Jeffersons lol. They probably just got tired of my sister and I tying up the line. Second line was unheard of until the parents got a computer in the mid-90s and figured it was easier to have a line strictly for the dial up. Learned early on though how to properly talk on the phone, which I think those growing up now don't pick that up as a skill since texting is preferred.

I feel the same way though, I'd rather text now and I try to avoid talking on the phone at all costs.

Not once have I been able to have a meaningful conversation via text. its fine for when and where type stuff and one liners, but Ive been in trouble more than once because all tone and intent is lost in translation and the next thing you know you're arguing on the internet, basically lol
Agree completely! Text is great for quick messages but not for "real" conversations.  Just like these boards, all intent or subtlety is lost without face to face conversation.

I think a forum like this is a few rungs up the ladder from texting or say, tweeting, but yea, I do agree. Tone, intent and the like surely get lost or inferred incorrectly, but it does lend itself to a more detailed conversation. Just my opinion though
Agree that these forums provide more context than texting but all written word is subject to the same shortfalls, be it email, forums, text or an old fashioned written letter.  None of those can convey meaning or intent the same way the spoken word can.  If they could we would have candidates submit their thoughts in written form rather than holding debates.

After watching the debates last night, I might be willing to accept this as an alternative despite the pitfalls that have been described. :D