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Chit Chat / Re: Podcast Thread
« on: February 05, 2020, 03:24:54 PM »
Thanks again for that Manson podcast, just finished it today and it was quite interesting.
As one who is interested in all things Manson, cult or serial killer, I really enjoyed this project and learned some things I did not know and received more information about what I did know.

Glad you enjoyed it!

I've dumped some of the podcasts I had listed above, haha. I enjoyed the new season of You Must Remember This, which was entirely about Disney's Song of the South. Very enlightening. Mostly now though, I just listen to Next Picture Show. I love the hosts so much, I often find myself laughing out loud at the puns and jokes though, it's like hanging out with a group of friends I've never actually met.

I've been talking to one of my friends back in SC about doing a podcast after my wedding, when I can afford to buy the necessary equipment for it, haha. I'd call it "What Did We Miss," and it'd basically be going back to films I, well, missed, from the past, and watching them (and films he missed too). Would be a cool dynamic, I imagine sometimes neither of us will have seen the movie of choice, sometimes one of us may have, so it could be neat.

Then I thought, haha, that every podcast has Patreon rewards once they're big enough, so I figure'd we could do like, "What Did You Miss," which would be special episodes for new releases. Then maybe some other special episodes for like, our favorite "cult" films, like After Hours or Street Trash (for the horror folk), amongst other ideas.

Knowing me, no project ever actually gets off the ground, and lord knows I don't know the first thing about finding a place to host a podcast or a domain or whatever is needed, but hey, they have books at libraries and book stores to learn those types of things, right?

Chit Chat / Re: Scene it
« on: February 05, 2020, 03:02:53 PM »
It's a well I come back to often, but, back in my Circuit City days, I used to find random movies in DVD bins all of the time. This one, from 2007, stars Christian Slater before his resurgence via a guest role in Archer and eventual role on Mr. Robot. It's called "He Was A Quiet Man."

I remember reading the box although I couldn't tell you what it said, but Wiki comes through for that:

"Bob Maconel (Slater) is an insignificant office worker who fantasizes about murdering his coworkers. On one particularly bad day, Bob is about to go on a murderous rampage when his coworker Ralf Coleman (David Wells) beats him to it, shooting up the office and killing several people. Bob shoots Coleman dead with the gun he planned to use on the others."

The clip I've attached is the very start of the movie, beginning with what I suppose would be Bob's "manifesto." Although the movie is from 2007, I bet the rhetoric sounds very familiar from a lot of incel, MRA and just flat-out white supremacy culture. The movie, after the initial shooting, takes a turn with many good things happening to Bob, and yet he can't fully understand why he deserves this, considering what he had set out to do. The movie itself is a tale of Bob feeling like an outsider because of everyone else, but as the movie goes on, we see that Bob's only real issue is his own insecurity. His problems are his own.

I don't know how it would play today, and I can't say the last time I watched it. The whole film is apparently on Youtube, which, wow, but I imagine it may be up for rent on Amazon and such. I remember being absolutely floored by the ending at the time, although catching up on it, I imagine I'd have some different feelings about it now. However, you know how sometimes you find a little cult flick that most people haven't seen, and you cling to that as your recommendation? I've had a few. He Was a Quiet Man was probably the first of that, for me. Something I felt like only I had ever seen, it was my own, free to share with those I wanted to or it could remain a mystery to everyone else.

Anyway, here's the opening:

Chit Chat / Re: The 2020 Song A Day Thread
« on: February 04, 2020, 05:07:34 PM »
I won't quote your post, because that's so much cleanup with 3 quotes within it, but mine above was "Jump in the Line."

Chit Chat / Re: The 2020 Song A Day Thread
« on: February 03, 2020, 10:38:33 PM »
Uh oh. Did we reach a limit?

Chit Chat / Re: The TV thread
« on: February 03, 2020, 05:44:06 PM »
Bojack Horseman - Season 6, Part 2 - The Final 8 Episodes (and, really just, overall)

TL;DR, this is now my favorite show over Six Feet Under (and same number of seasons, too, I think. Or maybe SFU was only 5....)

The non TL;DR version.....

Anyone who's met me in person at pretty much any point since 20....16, has likely heard me talk about this show. I caught on late. I remember hearing about it, how "serious" it was, how good Will Arnett was, and thinking "that...cartoon show with the talking horse?" I finally caught up on the first two seasons right before the third season released, and then plowed through that season too.

I can't explain what this show meant to me. It's a show overwhelmingly about mental illness. Having been  diagnosed with Borderline Personality Disorder in 2011 and struggled with it since (and, well, before the diagnosis, really), a lot hit home for me. Combine that with the fact that Bojack appeared to also be afflicted with BPD (although, amongst many other disorders) and it's endless parade of general puns, movie/tv-related puns, entertainment industry lingo and general sense of humor, all I can say is I felt a little less alone.

Bojack felt like the kind of show I'd make if I was creative and smart enough to write such a thing. I love movies, everyone knows this about me. And there's TV that I love, maybe not as much but there's definitely shows that are far and above (Six Feet Under, Better Call Saul, Bojack of course, Mad Men) the rest. But while I can be interested in the happenings of a family that owns a funeral home, or a lawyer with issues regarding his ethics, or a 1950s ad man who just wants his privacy (sort of?), nothing ever felt like it was literally made for me like Bojack did.

I hate that expression, "it's like it was made for me." It's pretentious. Yet, those who know me close and have watched Bojack, and it's mile a minute chatter, background easter eggs that you blink and miss and countless references to...goodness, anything pop culture related would probably tell you that sounds like a conversation with me.

When the show goes dark, and really digs into the mental health of its characters and the low, depressing times, the endless anxieties and the feelings of being lesser than those around you, those extremely close to me would say that sounds familiar too.

So there was me, and there was Bojack. Bojack, who through 5.5 seasons to this point, had hit multiple rock bottoms, and yet kept rising above them. He'd fall, get back on his feet, fall, get back on his feet. It reminded me of myself, too. The Navy. My failed move to Columbia. Failed marriage.

Bojack could never let go of his past, though. He carried it around with him. When a character talks to Bojack, they are talking to EVERY Bojack. They're talking to child Bojack, teenage Bojack, adult Bojack, senior Bojack (I mean, senior, he's only in his 50s), all at once. I've been like that too. When you carry your baggage with you every minute of every day, that's what it is.

As far as these final 8 episodes go, I can't go into too much detail. They just released on Friday and I'm not the spoil it for others type. What I can say is that, although there is somewhat of a rushed feel, partially because Netflix cancelled the show and gave them this as their final season (as to why it's rushed), and because it's 16 episodes as opposed to 12 (thus why it's "somewhat" of a rushed feel, they gave them SOME room to breathe), they still brought it home. I don't think the cancellation hurt it, Raphael Bob-Waksberg has said the show ended as he always intended it to. That being said, the final two episodes are...just an absolute masterpiece, while being so terrifying to confront. The need to cut out toxic relationships. The ever looming spectre of death.

And then there's Season 6, Episode 15, "The View From Halfway Down." Somehow, "Free Churro," an OUTSTANDING episode from season 5 lost an Emmy to The Simpsons in 2019. THE SIMPSONS. IN 2019. If The View From Halfway down fails to win an Emmy, I can only assume collusion on the parts of voters. This episode is an absolute masterpiece, and as far as where the title comes from, it's easily the most painful part of the episode. It's that soul crunching nihilism that this show does so well. The finale is the chaser.

I can tell you how I loved the jokes, the visual gags, the psychological and philosophical discussions. I can tell you why I found the characters great, Bojack, despite his proclivities (and, lets remember, none of them are real people), is a fascinating character study. Diane Nguyen, voiced by Alison Brie, proves to be, over time, the heart of the show (something of a mirror to Bojack). Mister Peanut Butter, who Paul F Thompkins brought such life too, and managed to be interesting despite his personality being "dimwitted optimist." He started off as a joke and, like pretty much every other character, became a 3-dimensional character with his own issues and pathos. Todd Chavez, voiced expertly by Aaron Paul, never failed to make me laugh. And Princess Carolyin, Amy Sedaris, the one-woman who could do it all. Princess Carolyn should be everyone's role-model.

Those characters became just as important as our main one, Bojack, but there's simply no way this show could work as well without his voice actor: Will Arnett. Arnett had his own battles with alcoholism and depression, never to the depths of Bojack (at least, I hope). He brings that with him to the show and you can hear it in certain scenes (oh, can you hear it).

This show has absolutely redefined what television can be to me. It's less a TV show than a large, large group of creators reaching out to the world and saying "It's going to be ok. You have the power to get through this." Yes, it's tough at times. No, it's pretty much never easy (although, it gets easier, but you gotta do it every day. That's the hard part).

In real life, you talk about things you enjoy and sometimes you get shut down. Sometimes you get told the things you enjoy are stupid, or ridiculous, or why don't you take an interest in thing x, a real hobby? For about 6 hours, every season (and every rewatched season....), I got to spend my time with people who had all of the same interests as me. They had all of the same fears as me. And they were open and honest  about their issues (well, most of them. Looking at you, Bojack). It's all been conversations I need to hear, wanted to hear, and enjoyed to hear.

Now, it's over. There is no new Bojack Horseman in my future. These writers, these actors, these animators, they'll move on to other things. Maybe some will be better! Maybe some will be worse. But this original cast of characters has cut us out of their lives. We no longer get to look on. I'd be sad, but then again, that was kind of the whole point of the show, to a certain extent. Things move on. They only don't when we cling to them, and if we cling to something that isn't there anymore, we're only hurting ourselves (and, quite likely, those around us). So we have to move on.

But the final moments of the show tell you what you need to know. It'll be hard for me to move on without this show. But watching the final moments, as with so many other times while watching this show and seeing/hearing a sentiment, opinion, etc, I know one thing for sure: the feeling is relatable. As we watch two characters say goodbye, but neither one get up to leave, the moment wavers as "Mr. Blue" plays, it's obvious: as hard as it is for the audience to move on, it's just as hard for them. I'll miss all of them.

Until the next rewatch, Bojack.

Chit Chat / Re: The 2020 Song A Day Thread
« on: February 03, 2020, 01:30:22 PM »

I've been getting into Harry Belafonte and various 50s music lately? I've had a thing for 1920s big band music since Boardwalk Empire, and an offshoot of that (since 20s music isn't exactly the easiest to come by at the time) was an appreciation of 40s music, but for some reason the 50s I've avoided, until recently. It's not exactly an unknown song, but it's sure to still put some pep in your step after listening. So go on, jump in the line, rock your body in time.

Chit Chat / Re: Cord cutting
« on: January 30, 2020, 11:28:09 PM »
I did it Crewe. I went to Hulu+. I wanted to cry when I opened up PS Vue, not thinking about it.

Baseball / Re: 2019 Season
« on: January 29, 2020, 04:59:58 PM »
Hey Norm (we need an @ mention feature or something), how far would you say it is from Chicago to Detroit? It looks like I'll be in Chicago in September for Riot Fest, last time I caught a game at Wrigley, but looks like the Cubs and White Sox are out of town. Wondering how feasible it would be for me to get to Detroit by some form of public transportation, be it Uber or otherwise, because the Tigers are home all weekend, as I continue to attempt to visit every stadium.

Itís about 4.5 hours drive time, although Iíve done it in about 3:45 a couple of times lol. But figure construction season, 4.5 hours is a safe bet. Amtrak does service from Chicago to Detroit, although if you go that route I recommend ending your train ride at the Dearborn stop, or go past Detroit and to the Royal Oak stop.

Oooooo, nice, was hoping there'd be a train option. The dream remains alive!

Baseball / Re: 2019 Season
« on: January 29, 2020, 02:19:18 PM »
Hey Norm (we need an @ mention feature or something), how far would you say it is from Chicago to Detroit? It looks like I'll be in Chicago in September for Riot Fest, last time I caught a game at Wrigley, but looks like the Cubs and White Sox are out of town. Wondering how feasible it would be for me to get to Detroit by some form of public transportation, be it Uber or otherwise, because the Tigers are home all weekend, as I continue to attempt to visit every stadium.

Chit Chat / Re: Scene it
« on: January 28, 2020, 05:41:17 PM »

Ever since watching Run Silent, Run Deep on my flight, I've been wanting to go back to some other 50s era films. This clip had me stifling laughter at work, I may need to put this one on my list.

Chit Chat / Re: Scene it
« on: January 28, 2020, 03:45:05 PM »
well now I feel like a criminal because there was a 4 screen cinema (theatre weren't huge multiplexes back then) and I was there most often and wold see every film that week unless I had seen it enough already. it was like you bought a ticket to enter the movie house which granted you entrance to any theatre you wanted as often as you wanted. I guess Ill pay for that some day... :D

I remember going to movies with my dad, and sometimes we'd do a double feature. We'd finish one movie and hop on into another one. I had no idea this was not allowed, I don't know if maybe I thought, in child think, that a ticket granted you all access but that was certainly not the case, hahaha. I did it with kiddo once or twice, and myself with friends a time or two since, although not so much these days because who has the time?

Plus, you gotta refill the popcorn, and you basically have to do it before your movie ends.

Baseball / Re: 2019 Season
« on: January 28, 2020, 12:56:28 AM »
Hahaha, I'd never really do it. But I imagine I may hear some things being said at those games this year.

Baseball / Re: 2019 Season
« on: January 27, 2020, 06:59:48 PM »
Wait, I just realized: if I go to a Mariners Astros game this year, am I allowed to get drunk and yell at the Astros players without being considered an asshole? For one season, at least?

Chit Chat / Re: Scene it
« on: January 27, 2020, 03:20:56 PM »
So today, I'm gonna go back in time to a pre-18 age (2002, so.....15). 28 Days Later comes out, a horror movie, that is rated R, thus I am too young to see it. For whatever reason, my mom, dad, and brother are all apparently unable to take me to see the movie. Thus, I end up going with my brother's girlfriend somehow.

I remember, being young, always feeling like you absolutely had to do things the right way or you'd be found out (honestly, to this day I still feel like that which is probably the cause of my anxiety even though nobody cares about the rules these days), so, I'm not a huge fan of breaking the rules. As anyone knows now, I highly doubt the ticket taker was going to ask for any proof of relation, but still, to be safe, we bought two tickets to a different film and snuck into 28 Days Later.

The seats weren't the best, they were aisle seats but they weren't awful. The bad part was probably when I saw a couple basically do a lap around the theater and heard one of them say "How could there possibly be no seats?" Whoops.

100% worth it. What a movie, and an absolutely haunting opener to this day. Any anxiety I had about someone coming into ask for our tickets immediately melted away one Danny Boyle invited us into his vision.

Basketball Discussion / Re: RIP Kobe Bryant
« on: January 26, 2020, 03:49:03 PM »
Yeah, the off the court stuff lingers, but still, having this happen just as LeBron passes him, plus the conflicting reports about who was in the helicopter with him, just made this very sad news to wake up to on a Sunday. One of the greatest players, at least, taken far too soon.

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