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Pro Football / Re: Guess the Year
« on: March 19, 2019, 02:28:48 PM »
For what it's worth, not that it'll help at all (at least...I don't think it will?) but apparently Warren Moon has the 2nd most career fumbles behind Brett Favre.

I'll also add, because I don't think it's actually helpful: that career fumbles list is entirely QBs from 1-27. #28, the first non-QB? Tony Dorsett.

Pro Football / Re: Guess the Year
« on: March 19, 2019, 12:53:27 PM »
Divisions, locations, all accurate to the year.

These are not necessarily starters at their positions (although most are), but these ARE the players, for each team, who had the most fumbles in this particular season. The Jets had a competition to see who could win, apparently.

Warren Moon – QB – HOU
Paul McDonald - QB – CLE
Frank Pollard – FB -PIT
Mike Martin/Boomer Esiason – PR/QB - CIN

Steve DeBerg – QB – TB
Tommy Kramer – QB – MIN
Gary Danielson – QB – DET
Matt Suhey – FB – CHI
Lynn Dickey – QB - GB

John Elway – QB – DEN
Dave Krieg – QB – SEA
Marc Wilson – QB – LAR
Lionel James – KR/PR- SD
Todd Blackledge – QB - KC

Eric Dickerson – RB – LAR
Wendell Tyler – RB – SF
Gerald Riggs – RB – ATL
Richard Todd – QB - NO

Tony Dorsett – RB – DAL
Neil Lomax – QB – STL
Phil Simms – QB – NYG
Joe Theismann – QB – WAS
Ron Jaworski – QB - PHI

Joe Ferguson – QB – BUF
Tony Eason – QB – NE
Dan Marino – QB – MIA
Curtis Dickey – RB – IND
Pat Ryan/Freeman McNeil/Ken O’Brien – QB/RB/QB - NYJ

Chit Chat / Re: oh you didnt know?
« on: March 15, 2019, 07:31:30 PM »
Funnily enough, my fiancee actually knew this guy just from bartending in NY.

Chit Chat / Re: Your Unpopular Opinion
« on: March 15, 2019, 05:51:47 PM »
Sounds like Tider is experiencing...

...a total eclipse of Heart.

Chit Chat / Re: Do You Remember.....
« on: March 15, 2019, 11:42:08 AM »
It's amazing how you contradict yourself multiple times in there.

I'd love to hear, by the way, if your stance regarding white extremism has changed, considering recent events, or if you still think they're just a minority and not a threat. I'm sure you think it's fine, though.

Quite frankly, Rigg, I find your responses in this thread revealing, as I have said, of a willful ignorance. You say things are better than the 50s and 60s, great, that does not mean they are good, and that's a really, REALLY low bar to clear. It's like me going from getting kicked in the nuts everyday to getting kicked in the shins instead. Oh, great! Yeah, it improved, but I'm still in pain.

Also, anyone who thought the election of Obama meant the end of racism, especially how that turned out (Like, say, the guy who just created a rumor that our black president was born in Kenya and created an entire movement out of the lie becoming our very next president), is an idiot. BLM started while Obama was in office. Palin sunk McCain, and no one liked Romney. It's not that hard to understand why Obama got elected in spite of the color of his skin. Also, note that, Obama had to go to one of the very best universities, had to serve his time in government, to make it to the presidency, whereas our current president was a reality show star with 0 aptitude for law, filled with xenophobic hate and bile, and displays his ignorance on so many subjects everyday. That's racial bias in a nutshell, and that's white privilege in a nutshell, but I'm sure you also don't think that exists either.

Anyways, look, I said agree to disagree before ,you didn't take it, but I'm ending this now, because this is going nowhere on either side, and if you don't want to accept reality, that's a you problem. People are dying every day because of this shit, and we can continue to ignore it and be complicit because we don't want to feel like we're the bad guys, or we can address it. You've chosen what you prefer.

Chit Chat / Re: The Movies Thread
« on: March 14, 2019, 05:39:16 PM »
He definitely was in Nightcrawler, and I've heard the same about the other two (even from kiddo, who is a harsh critic).

Chit Chat / Re: Do You Remember.....
« on: March 14, 2019, 04:24:09 PM »
I just looked back to see what the topic actually was and to see I hijacked buc's simple observation with an Axis and Allies comment that devolved lol
Sorry man.  :D

I'd love to say this is the first time an off-hand response by me escalated into, well, more, isn't. :(

Chit Chat / Re: The Movies Thread
« on: March 14, 2019, 04:23:24 PM »
I feel like Gyllenhaal was kind of an ironic choice for awhile, especially after Donnie Darko, but I think it was around the time of Prisoners, Enemy (both of which I have not seen) and Nightcrawler (WHICH WAS AMAZING) that audiences started to accept him as better than average.

Chit Chat / Re: The Movies Thread
« on: March 14, 2019, 03:16:30 PM »
There's going to b ANOTHER Spider Man?

Yeah. It's funny, because it comes out like, 3 months after Endgame, I think? So they've already had to start marketing, despite Spidey getting dusted at the end of Infinity War. So, not even trying to pretend like he's not coming back (there's still the CHANCE that Far From Home is a prequel, but, honestly, if he were to theoretically still be dead at the Endgame, then what would be the point?)

But it's not another reboot this time, just a sequel to Spiderman: Homecoming, the one that's actually in the MCU with Tom Holland. Looks good, I'm always game for more Jake Gyllenhaal (I thought I spelled that wrong until I looked it up).

Chit Chat / Re: The Movies Thread
« on: March 14, 2019, 02:23:03 PM »

Sure everyone's seen it by now, but I love the new Endgame trailer. Looks like my boy Cap is going to get roughed up, but I trust them to do right by him.

I can't wait for this movie to come out. I might be off the Marvel train by then (I'll probably still go see Spider-Man, though, at least), but these last 10, 11 years now, have been such a thrill.

Chit Chat / Re: Do You Remember.....
« on: March 14, 2019, 01:11:31 PM »
No one is being routinely shot, hung, kept from owning property, or being overtly kept "down" on a mass scale. If you refuse to see that the needle has moved further and further towards equality over the years and decades then it is you in need of a reality check.  Racism exists but it is limited to small groups or hidden individuals.  It will always be with us but it no longer rules us. I was avoiding being rude but you seem to not have a problem with it so. 

So, firstly, you still have yet to give any definitive proof that Omar is anti-semtiic, so, keep telling me I'm the one being emotional.

No one is being kept down? Did you not see how an oil company was given domain over Native Americans at Standing Rock, who were attacked on THEIR land by our own police force? Have you not seen the BLM protests as continuously, we have seen police forces abuse their force against black men and black children (TAMIR RICE?!) and face 0 consequences for it.

Have you not seen the wealth inequality in this country that DISPROPORTIONATELY affects minorities?

Have you not seen Flint, Michigan, WHICH STILL DOES NOT HAVE CLEAN WATER and yet nobody in our government seems to care?

Have you not seen how North Carolina GOP just tried to rob an election using voter fraud tactics aimed against minorities?

Have you not seen how GEORGIA used similar tactics and got away with it, while Brian Kemp had a conflict of interest running for Governor while secretary of state?

Have you not seen how multiple states have attempted to institute voter ID laws which have beenproven as racially biased?

Gerrymandering? Asset forfeiture that indescriminately targets minorities?

We have children dying in cages, separated, without reason, from their parents who were deported, some adopted out with no hope of being reunited because our government couldn't bother to keep track of everything it was doing.

Racism is institutional, sir, and it is enforced at the county, state and national levels in a great degree, and that is the point. If you want to blind yourself to the injustices that have been created, not by the people, but by the political, educational, and economic systems of this country, that is YOUR issue. You say I've been rude, I haven't. I have leveled no insults or ad hominem attacks on you. But, if what I'm engaging in is "emotional," what you're engaging in is simply willful ignorance to the truth.

There are frequent injustices committed by the institutions that run this country, daily, against minorities, against women. So, sure, we don't separate drinking fountains or bathrooms these days, great. No, we've found methods now that aren't in the open, but are equally impacting, and we elected a president who's further seen to that.

If racism is a minority thing, then by god the majority has failed to defend against it, which makes them complicit.

Chit Chat / Re: Do You Remember.....
« on: March 14, 2019, 12:14:14 PM »
We're going to have to go back to agreeing to disagree, then. The dangers of entertaining these people, constantly giving them platforms (Alex Jones, Tucker Carlson, really all of Fox News) has taken it's toll after years and years and years. You say the majority of America is not racist, yet they voted for a truly racist president who started his campaign by calling Mexicans rapists and drug dealers, instituting an extremely racist travel ban against Muslim countries (and not even the countries that have actual ties to terrorism), and seems to only insult people's IQs if they're black.

You're ignoring a very real danger to this country. Trump is what he is, he always has been. He's not a complex person, he's just a bigoted idiot that caught the wave of national populism, which is growing across the globe (hey there Bolsonaro) and rode it right into the White House. Now, we have an intemperate, whiny man-child on the Supreme Court in Brett Kavanaugh, but worse is the federal judges that Trump has been approving left and right up and down the federal courts, and unlike his campaign promises, he['s not nominating "the best and the brightest," he nominates those whose views align with him (again, Kavanaugh). Not too mention the grift of the whole thing.

Point is, this "minority" you talk about, elevated Trump. Sure, not everyone is racist, but plenty of people were willing to look at Trump's blatant racism and go "that's acceptable to me," because they thought he was, I dunno, I guess actually going to make America great again.

You yourself don't have to be a Trump supporter, and I don't believe I called you one, to make my points valid. You're playing the "they're all the same game," which is how we got here in the first place. We keep seeing the company that Trump keeps pleading guilty and heading to prison, and yet his supporters, even if you don't consider yourself one, continue to defend him. Fox News continues to defend him, and those who have truly drank the Kool-Aid, continue to defend them.

If you don't want to be convinced that white supremacy in 2019 is the greatest threat to American democracy right now, then I don't know what to tell you. But I do know, in those tapes that just released from Tucker Carlson's radio call-ins, he explicitly said that America needed a racist President. There are many Fox News viewers who, I'm sure, agreed with those sentiments upon hearing them when they were released, and were especially happy since they got their wish.

Now, you want to continue to engage in the bad faith arguments and ignoring the actual issues here, then feel free to go ahead. But just going "it's alright" isn't going to fix anything, and is the exact kind of attitude so many people had in 2016 to lead us to where we are today: divided, with our government in absolute shambles (the State Department is still a ghost town, and we are missing ambassadors to many, many countries, and why the fuck are Jared and Ivanka handling ANY foreign relations?)

You don't have to be a Trump supporter to defend him, but you do have to be willing to overlook a LOT OF BAD STUFF that he has done, is doing, and likely will do (just look at Cohen's "it will not be a peaceful transition of power" if Trump wins).

Hell, you want to get past the racism stuff, how about just the journalism stuff? Anytime a Muslim man commits a crime in this country, everyone screams "WHERE WAS HE RADICALIZED" or "WHY WON'T HIS COMMUNITY POLICE HIM?!" Meanwhile, we have a president everyday that calls journalists the enemy of the people and is saying awful, very out of the ordinary things about the opposition people, and then we get these fucking crazies who are RADICALIZED by his words that send bombs to Democrats and CNN or shoot up newspapers. It's really not that hard to see the correlation.

Or, hell, even that fucking LIEUTENANT in the military who was planning on carrying out a devastating domestic terror attack. Radicalization. We have a president who radicalizes domestic terrorists. So, no, don't tell me he's the same as any other president.

I don't really want to dignify you, telling me, a Jewish man, that Omar is an anti-semite. I've made my statement, you want to continue to take the bad faith argument. Meanwhile, again, you're talking about a Trump, the leader of a GOP party who constantly paints George Soros, a Jewish man, as some "money monster" who's ruining American politics (but the Koch brothers are fine, of course). So, no, you can get out of here with THAT BS. Omar wasn't saying anything wrong, again, criticizing a lobbying group whose entire purpose of existing is to influence foreign policy via financial contributions is NOT ANTI-SEMITISM, even if that country was Israel. Criticizing Israel's war crimes against Palestinians IS NOT ANTI-SEMITISM. Criticizing Netanyahu, a corrupt and horrifying leader, is NOT ANTI-SEMITISM.

But, again, the rampant anti-semitism displayed across the right (not too mention the Islamophobia) is just whatever, apparently. No sir. You really need to check yourself.

Pro Football / Re: Guess the Year
« on: March 14, 2019, 11:59:49 AM »
Yeah it's 95.............

*grumble grumble*

Chit Chat / Re: education scandal
« on: March 14, 2019, 11:59:31 AM »
I mean, we started this thread talking about wealth vs corruption. Might it just be that we're still talking about corruption, it's just that there's sort of three ways about that: Corruption, as in the legal term and detailing the immorality and unethical actions that have been taken, but also corruption, as in the way that power corrupts a person, or wealth can corrupt a person. So, to Rigg's point, he's right about wealth isn't the only thing that can "corrupt" a person, we've seen plenty of state legislators and members of the police force, judges, etc that have all been corrupted by their positions of power, despite not having wealth.

And then there's those who do have wealth that use that wealth to game the system, even though they (presumably) know it is incorrect. To your point about politicians Rigg, they are not SUPPOSED to be rich, but thanks to our society and economic and political systems, between just lobbying and of course speaking engagements, they have plenty of alternate revenue streams to accumulate wealth along with their power (plus lord knows how much insider trading. All of the insider trading. And great pensions!)

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