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Offline Bucfever

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Re: Do You Remember.....
« Reply #30 on: March 14, 2019, 04:24:09 PM »
I just looked back to see what the topic actually was and to see I hijacked buc's simple observation with an Axis and Allies comment that devolved lol
Sorry man.  :D


I'd love to say this is the first time an off-hand response by me escalated into, well, more, but...it isn't. :(

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Re: Do You Remember.....
« Reply #31 on: March 15, 2019, 11:29:05 AM »
No one is being routinely shot, hung, kept from owning property, or being overtly kept "down" on a mass scale. If you refuse to see that the needle has moved further and further towards equality over the years and decades then it is you in need of a reality check.  Racism exists but it is limited to small groups or hidden individuals.  It will always be with us but it no longer rules us. I was avoiding being rude but you seem to not have a problem with it so. 

So, firstly, you still have yet to give any definitive proof that Omar is anti-semtiic, so, keep telling me I'm the one being emotional.

No one is being kept down? Did you not see how an oil company was given domain over Native Americans at Standing Rock, who were attacked on THEIR land by our own police force? Have you not seen the BLM protests as continuously, we have seen police forces abuse their force against black men and black children (TAMIR RICE?!) and face 0 consequences for it.

Have you not seen the wealth inequality in this country that DISPROPORTIONATELY affects minorities?

Have you not seen Flint, Michigan, WHICH STILL DOES NOT HAVE CLEAN WATER and yet nobody in our government seems to care?

Have you not seen how North Carolina GOP just tried to rob an election using voter fraud tactics aimed against minorities?

Have you not seen how GEORGIA used similar tactics and got away with it, while Brian Kemp had a conflict of interest running for Governor while secretary of state?

Have you not seen how multiple states have attempted to institute voter ID laws which have beenproven as racially biased?

Gerrymandering? Asset forfeiture that indescriminately targets minorities?

We have children dying in cages, separated, without reason, from their parents who were deported, some adopted out with no hope of being reunited because our government couldn't bother to keep track of everything it was doing.

Racism is institutional, sir, and it is enforced at the county, state and national levels in a great degree, and that is the point. If you want to blind yourself to the injustices that have been created, not by the people, but by the political, educational, and economic systems of this country, that is YOUR issue. You say I've been rude, I haven't. I have leveled no insults or ad hominem attacks on you. But, if what I'm engaging in is "emotional," what you're engaging in is simply willful ignorance to the truth.

There are frequent injustices committed by the institutions that run this country, daily, against minorities, against women. So, sure, we don't separate drinking fountains or bathrooms these days, great. No, we've found methods now that aren't in the open, but are equally impacting, and we elected a president who's further seen to that.

If racism is a minority thing, then by god the majority has failed to defend against it, which makes them complicit.

I will not list Omar's tweets that I and others find to be Anti Semitic because you will just look at them and say they are not, so there is no point.  However is it not the accepted standard among liberals and the Dems that if one person finds it offensive then it is?    If you can not see the rudeness in your tenor and tone then that is on YOU as you are fond of saying.  I did not intend to imply that there is no one ever held back or kept down by racism.  There are of course people who achieve power that should not and therefore there are going to be individuals in the world that suffer the effects of racism at their hands.  That is true today and it will be true tomorrow.  However, it is you that is delusional if you believe it to be on the same level of the past or even, laughably, worse than it was.  I don't think any minority would want to change places with someone of their background from the 60's or 50's.  There is a more ethnically diverse congress now than there ever has been (http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/01/24/115th-congress-sets-new-high-for-racial-ethnic-diversity/). College enrollment rates for minorities are increasing (https://nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/pdf/coe_cpb.pdf).  Minorities are also achieving the degree sought at a higher rate than ever, still trailing their white counterparts but not by the large gap it once was (http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2016/06/27/1-demographic-trends-and-economic-well-being/st_2016-06-27_race-inequality-ch1-02/).  Not to mention record low unemployment numbers for all minorities currently.  All of these point to what I have been saying.  There is no systemic racism.  If there were these things would not be true.  Just as the election of Obama negates the theory that Trump's election proves systemic racism.  millions of the same people that elected Obama turned around and voted for Trump.  So if there is some grand conspiracy to keep minorities down, whoever is running is very bad at their job. 

As far as wealth distribution, I don't see it is a racial matter.  It is true that some struggle because they start less entitled than others.  That, however, is not a race issue its a circumstance issue.  I spent most of my life as poor white trailer trash. Five kids one bedroom in a single wide trailer.  I worked three jobs and busted my ass to change my fortune.  That being said I believe in ladders to success, programs to assist kids that start out behind the eightball to achieve their dreams.  I don't support punishing those that have already achieved theirs already or trying to guarantee outcomes. I am always for making sure everyone has equal access to an opportunity to success.   

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Re: Do You Remember.....
« Reply #32 on: March 15, 2019, 11:42:08 AM »
It's amazing how you contradict yourself multiple times in there.


I'd love to hear, by the way, if your stance regarding white extremism has changed, considering recent events, or if you still think they're just a minority and not a threat. I'm sure you think it's fine, though.

Quite frankly, Rigg, I find your responses in this thread revealing, as I have said, of a willful ignorance. You say things are better than the 50s and 60s, great, that does not mean they are good, and that's a really, REALLY low bar to clear. It's like me going from getting kicked in the nuts everyday to getting kicked in the shins instead. Oh, great! Yeah, it improved, but I'm still in pain.

Also, anyone who thought the election of Obama meant the end of racism, especially how that turned out (Like, say, the guy who just created a rumor that our black president was born in Kenya and created an entire movement out of the lie becoming our very next president), is an idiot. BLM started while Obama was in office. Palin sunk McCain, and no one liked Romney. It's not that hard to understand why Obama got elected in spite of the color of his skin. Also, note that, Obama had to go to one of the very best universities, had to serve his time in government, to make it to the presidency, whereas our current president was a reality show star with 0 aptitude for law, filled with xenophobic hate and bile, and displays his ignorance on so many subjects everyday. That's racial bias in a nutshell, and that's white privilege in a nutshell, but I'm sure you also don't think that exists either.

Anyways, look, I said agree to disagree before ,you didn't take it, but I'm ending this now, because this is going nowhere on either side, and if you don't want to accept reality, that's a you problem. People are dying every day because of this shit, and we can continue to ignore it and be complicit because we don't want to feel like we're the bad guys, or we can address it. You've chosen what you prefer.

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Re: Do You Remember.....
« Reply #33 on: March 15, 2019, 12:22:07 PM »
It's amazing how you contradict yourself multiple times in there.


I'd love to hear, by the way, if your stance regarding white extremism has changed, considering recent events, or if you still think they're just a minority and not a threat. I'm sure you think it's fine, though.

Quite frankly, Rigg, I find your responses in this thread revealing, as I have said, of a willful ignorance. You say things are better than the 50s and 60s, great, that does not mean they are good, and that's a really, REALLY low bar to clear. It's like me going from getting kicked in the nuts everyday to getting kicked in the shins instead. Oh, great! Yeah, it improved, but I'm still in pain.

Also, anyone who thought the election of Obama meant the end of racism, especially how that turned out (Like, say, the guy who just created a rumor that our black president was born in Kenya and created an entire movement out of the lie becoming our very next president), is an idiot. BLM started while Obama was in office. Palin sunk McCain, and no one liked Romney. It's not that hard to understand why Obama got elected in spite of the color of his skin. Also, note that, Obama had to go to one of the very best universities, had to serve his time in government, to make it to the presidency, whereas our current president was a reality show star with 0 aptitude for law, filled with xenophobic hate and bile, and displays his ignorance on so many subjects everyday. That's racial bias in a nutshell, and that's white privilege in a nutshell, but I'm sure you also don't think that exists either.

Anyways, look, I said agree to disagree before ,you didn't take it, but I'm ending this now, because this is going nowhere on either side, and if you don't want to accept reality, that's a you problem. People are dying every day because of this shit, and we can continue to ignore it and be complicit because we don't want to feel like we're the bad guys, or we can address it. You've chosen what you prefer.

LOL ok.  What exactly did you find illuminating?  I never contradicted myself but to each their own.  We can agree to disagree that's fine but the numbers are on my side.  I only brought up the 50 and 60's because you speak as if it is worse now that it has ever been, which is absurd.  As I showed minorities are succeeding now more than ever so like I said this Illuminati racist must be horrible at their jobs.  And there is absolutely no way that a true Racist would have voted for Obama so there is no plausible scenario that supports that theory.   

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Re: Do You Remember.....
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Re: Do You Remember.....
« Reply #36 on: June 04, 2019, 11:49:32 PM »
Do you remember when there was nothing to do at the red lights but watch people, or cycle through the radio stations two or three times?

 

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